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#21 Col. Flagg

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Posted 01 March 2017 - 09:39 AM

The Raiders used to be "Just Win Baby". 

 

Oh, how I miss the days of those guys winning. Memories.

 

[cue music]


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#22 wdfa89

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Posted 01 March 2017 - 10:07 AM

my kid does a lot of stuff.  scouts, soccer, baseball, band, church.

 

we refer to Scouts as our Alamo.  if we need to cut back for $$$ or time, Scouts will be the last activity to go.  why?   the only one were you are allowed to try, to challenge, and to possibly fail, and then go again.  no loss of playing time, no drop in the lineup, no cuts, no one giving you crap for striking out or missing the goal.  and the right balance of organized and disorganized--structure when the even calls but plenty of room for boys to be boys and just play/have fun.  I have never seen my son smile/laugh on the sports field/band concert like he does kayaking, rafting, climbing, camping, on the range, etc  generally, the character quality of boys he is associating with I have found to be higher than with his teams.  YMMV of course depending on troop and team, but I think committed special kids do scouts, any jerk can excel at sports and we have known plenty.  and generally encouraging parents, no yapping at umps or complaints about playing time.

 

I volunteer to facilitate the above.

 

sorry, no bumper sticker for part 1


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#23 DuctTape

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Posted 01 March 2017 - 10:25 AM

I always go back to the line in my 1911 Handbook, "Scouts is where boys learn to do things for themselves".
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#24 Col. Flagg

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Posted 01 March 2017 - 10:48 AM

@MattR, this recent article has some interesting quotes and comments about what Scouting is about. Might help in developing your vision and mission for your TC.


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#25 DuctTape

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Posted 01 March 2017 - 11:59 AM

The actual line from the 1911 handbook is (in part), "to promote the ability in boys to do things for themselves and others."
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#26 MattR

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Posted 01 March 2017 - 07:35 PM

Well, I guess I'm glad that everyone has a different view on how to describe scouts. Maybe that just means it's worthwhile.
 
@Col. Flagg, After rereading your original post about different types of statements I thought some more about what I'm trying to do. It's really about rewriting the aims and methods to both better explain what scouts is about and also explain the why behind the how my troop does things. I guess that would be a values statement.

 

Trying to boil down the aim of scouting into a phrase is not just a sales pitch so much as just trying to get it down to the essence of scouting. When there are multiple options that are competing but only one is allowed to go forward it's the essence of what scouting is that will make the decision. In sports, benching good players when they're a bad sport points to sportsmanship having more importance than winning. Scouts has it's own version of this. The worst is when a parent calls wondering why their son is not advancing. To them, the aim is advancement. To me it's something involving doing and good.

 

Anyway, thank you all. I will muddle on.


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#27 Col. Flagg

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Posted 02 March 2017 - 10:14 AM

@Col. Flagg, After rereading your original post about different types of statements I thought some more about what I'm trying to do. It's really about rewriting the aims and methods to both better explain what scouts is about and also explain the why behind the how my troop does things. I guess that would be a values statement.

 
It would still, IMHO, be a Values Statement, Mission Statement and Vision. One says what you are, one says how you do things, the latter says what you will be in the future. Or better yet, what you hope the Scouts will be in the future.
 

Trying to boil down the aim of scouting into a phrase is not just a sales pitch so much as just trying to get it down to the essence of scouting. When there are multiple options that are competing but only one is allowed to go forward it's the essence of what scouting is that will make the decision. In sports, benching good players when they're a bad sport points to sportsmanship having more importance than winning. Scouts has it's own version of this. The worst is when a parent calls wondering why their son is not advancing. To them, the aim is advancement. To me it's something involving doing and good.


Maybe I am missing something, but I think BSA already has -- for lack of better words -- "catch phrases" that encompass the spirit of your intent...I think. "Character Counts" comes to mind. The Oath and Law, to me, say it all...the Oath especially. That boils down Scouting to its essence IMHO. That's why most Eagle ceremonies I have been to give the Eagle Charge an ask the candidate recite the Oath.

 

Maybe this will help. My PLC did a t-shirt fundraiser once. They were trying to think of a shirt that anyone would buy, not just people involved in Scouting. They asked everyone in the troop to think of words that brought to mind Scouting's ideals. If they couldn't think of anything except "reverence", let's say, they asked for synonyms. They collected this all on a Google Form so that they could parse the data on a Google Spreadsheet to de-dup" the data. They got over 500 words. Maybe such an exercise would help you boil down what you are looking for if you cannot find it in the Oath, Law and other BSA catch phrases.


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#28 frankpalazzi

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Posted 02 March 2017 - 03:59 PM

@MattR I still don't understand why you're agonizing over this.  It's a Scout Troop, not a corporation.  You're a volunteer, not a CEO.

 

Get a copy of The Scoutmaster's Handbook, The Boy Scout Handbook, and The Troop Committee Guidebook and place them on the table.

 

"Ladies & Gentlemen, all you need to know about our Troop can be found here.  There are additional training opportunities available, and I'll be happy to assist you in exploring them.  Will there be anything else?"

 

Boy Scout Troops do not need Mission Statements, Philosophies,  Visions, Aims and Goals Statements, Revelations,  Prognostications, etc.

 

I don't know why you are submitting to this silly request.  If you ruffle some feathers, you've succeeded in making your point. You're in it for the boys.

 

My Scoutmaster taught me two important things when I became an adult leader:

 

1.  Always go "by the book" and no one can ever "call you out".

2.  KISS (Keep It Simple, Stupid)


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#29 Col. Flagg

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Posted 02 March 2017 - 04:11 PM

Boy Scout Troops do not need Mission Statements, Philosophies,  Visions, Revelations,  Prognostications, etc.

 

I don't know why you are submitting to this silly request.  If you ruffle some feathers, you've succeeded in making your point. You're in it for the boys.

 

I disagree to a point. 

 

While he doesn't need to boil the ocean to get some slick slogan or vision statement or something, forward long-term planning using some of these tools is helpful in keeping a unit (adults, not Scouts) robust and successful.

 

For example, our unit has done a rolling five year plan for recruiting every year. We take in to account kids aging out, the health of other Packs (e.g., how many kids they have at each level) and forward plan how many kids we can take each year. This allows us to set our target for recruitment and adjust accordingly. The outcome? A unit which never has to worry about how many guys we have. This allows us to focus on delivering a quality program.

 

All that takes surprisingly little time. We are one of a few units that never has to worry if we are getting 5 boys, 15 boys or 25 boys. We already know.  :D


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#30 frankpalazzi

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Posted 02 March 2017 - 04:13 PM

Then let them work on their time-wasting silliness as a TEAM, then.  Why dump it on one person?  I would take that as a question of my methods and abilities. A direct affront.

 

Now that I think about it, "Grow Up" is a perfect title for this thread! :)


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#31 RememberSchiff

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Posted 02 March 2017 - 04:24 PM

Perhaps this Troop Committee is still in Pack Committee mode?


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#32 frankpalazzi

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Posted 02 March 2017 - 05:01 PM

I disagree to a point. 

 

While he doesn't need to boil

 

I disagree to a point. 

 

While he doesn't need to boil the ocean to get some slick slogan or vision statement or something, forward long-term planning using some of these tools is helpful in keeping a unit (adults, not Scouts) robust and successful.

All you need there is the 6-P Principle. "Proper Planning Prevents P*** Poor Performance".  No long winded Mission Statements necessary.


Edited by frankpalazzi, 02 March 2017 - 05:07 PM.

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Posted 02 March 2017 - 05:59 PM

T shirt:   "Please remain calm  I am a Boy Scout". 

 

and  "Don't Mess with the Boy scout.  He knows places where you cannot be found."


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#34 Hedgehog

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Posted 02 March 2017 - 07:53 PM

My pitch line is "Every boy needs scouting for a different reason."

 

I also tell parents and Scouts, "Scouting is about leadership.  Leadership is about being responsible for others.  The first step of learning how to be responsible for others is learning to be responsible for yourself."

 

Talking to a bunch of parents, I told them, "We'll teach your sons to do dishes and clean toilets."

 

All of our Scouts would get this one... "We teach them to fish."


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#35 MattR

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Posted 02 March 2017 - 08:52 PM

I don't have much time for this so:

 

1) I told my committee that since I'm leaving they should change things the way they want and more importantly they should think about what they want. They all said they came to our troop because of the way we do things. They are asking me to teach them. Since I'm stepping down in 3 months I have no problem trying to ensure a quality program sticks around.

 

2) The aims and methods of scouting along with most of the training in the BSA is poor. Consequently new Webelo parents need a lot of work. It doesn't matter if they were Eagle scouts before. Also, vague platitudes about citizenship and ethics do not make a connection with the increasing number of parents that only see Eagle. This is partly why I want to rewrite them for my troop.

 

3) Different troops have different cultures. So again, just giving adults a pile of BSA documentation will not convey how my troop does things. BSA documentation will not explain why I might stand back while someone's son is frustrated or upset.

 

4) The idea of a brief slogan was just the first step and I wanted to get it right. When I get to the methods I want to explain how they support the aims. If I can succinctly explain how the patrol method supports the aims then maybe a parent will understand why I'm waiting to see if another scout will come and help their frustrated son.

 

5) It is clear to me that scouting is one of those things that can't be described but at the same time is worthy of many good quotes. So I think I'll just take the best quotes from here and make that the intro. I will likely start with Heraclitus's quote just because I like it.


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