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#141 TAHAWK

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Posted 08 March 2017 - 01:57 PM

"Special neckerchiefs, the same size as the official ones, may be authorized by local councils. Such neckerchiefs may include identification of the chartered organization. The standard designed neckerchief may be personalized with troop number, city, and state. By troop approval, an Eagle Scout may wear an Eagle Scout neckerchief."

 

BSA, Guide to Awards and Insignia, "Special Regulations," "The Neckerchief."

 

This has been the regulation forever and ignored systematically just as long.  I don;t know of a single unit that got Council OK for a non-official neckerchief (nor does either council where I scout) or bothered about whether their special neckerchiefs were "the same size as the official ones."  I have been in four troops since 1983 and they each had a special neckerchief without council consent that was not the same size as the official ones.  The language should be eliminated.   


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#142 numbersnerd

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Posted 08 March 2017 - 05:33 PM

My my, so much touchiness here. Especially from some who get some pushback on their thoughts. And to what end?

 

This thread typifies what turns so many off from Scouting once exposed to Scouters. To be honest, if I had to listen to some of this in person, my consideration of Scouting for my boys would drop. So I guess I should be thankful it's vented here instead of in a truly public forum.


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#143 qwazse

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Posted 09 March 2017 - 07:30 AM

"Special neckerchiefs, the same size as the official ones, may be authorized by local councils. Such neckerchiefs may include identification of the chartered organization. The standard designed neckerchief may be personalized with troop number, city, and state. By troop approval, an Eagle Scout may wear an Eagle Scout neckerchief."

 

BSA, Guide to Awards and Insignia, "Special Regulations," "The Neckerchief."

 

This has been the regulation forever and ignored systematically just as long.  I don;t know of a single unit that got Council OK for a non-official neckerchief (nor does either council where I scout) or bothered about whether their special neckerchiefs were "the same size as the official ones."  I have been in four troops since 1983 and they each had a special neckerchief without council consent that was not the same size as the official ones.  The language should be eliminated.   

I knew about that regulation when I was a scout, and -- although our troop had no interest in anything but one of the standard issues -- always wondered about it. Did council have a record book of custom designs? (I mean, they had a book of Eagle's names, and we could visit and sign it, so it stood to reason ...) Apparently not.

 

About that other part of the rule. Say you have an Eagle who wants to wear his special neckerchief ... does any troop anywhere have an actual approval process?


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Posted 14 March 2017 - 08:28 PM

"Special Neckerchief"?   Eagle, Woodbadge, souvenir of Jamboree/Philmont/Camp Whosis...

I have a "Smokey Bear" Forestry service  necker in my collection. And an Amangemet Wipet (OA) award necker.  And a Chaplain necker.  And a District Leader Award necker.  

 

I have never heard anyone complain about any Scout necker as being inappropriate or "not allowed". 


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#145 CherokeeScouter

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Posted 13 April 2017 - 02:18 PM

Hated them as a kid, don't care for them as an adult. But I'm not Wood Badge either. 


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Posted 13 April 2017 - 02:21 PM

Oh, and I forgot about the knee socks and garters with tassels we had to wear. What on earth was that about? 


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Posted 13 April 2017 - 02:54 PM

Oh, and I forgot about the knee socks and garters with tassels we had to wear. What on earth was that about? 

 

Summer wear, the knee socks offered some protection from walking through the brush (burrs, ticks,...) while wearing shorts. Outdoor activities prior to LNT were often off trail - blaze a new trail, set up a new campsite, STALKING, tracking. Today, off-trail activities are generally limited to orienteering, geocaching,..

 

Garters held up the socks. Tassels (red) you got me, but think of what National would do today with the colors. Green, Gold, Silver, Blue,...or maybe they have. :eek:


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#148 Col. Flagg

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Posted 13 April 2017 - 02:58 PM

Hated them as a kid, don't care for them as an adult. But I'm not Wood Badge either. 

Oh, and I forgot about the knee socks and garters with tassels we had to wear. What on earth was that about? 

 

Our troop voted to 86 the socks and garters thank the Lord!!! We went with green hiking socks instead. Loved our SM for that. I would have gotten beaten up on my to Scouts every Monday were I forced to wear those.


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#149 Stosh

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Posted 17 April 2017 - 11:38 AM

On the other hand, my boys voted to have neckers and they wear them all the time.  It's good to have the option for each troop/patrol to decide on their own.


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Posted 20 May 2017 - 04:10 PM

This years camp staff will have them. I hope they turn out good. Our jamboree contingent is using a bolo as well as my home troop.


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Posted 20 May 2017 - 05:25 PM

Our Philmont contingent had neckers.  Everyone signed everyone else's necker and it made a nice momento.


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Posted 21 May 2017 - 06:27 AM

Nice. Maybe our camp staff can do that :D


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Posted 22 May 2017 - 06:50 AM

Our youth leaders ditcched ours. Many happy faces.
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Posted 22 May 2017 - 07:55 AM

I still have my camp necker (a lot cheaper than a t-shirt) from my years at scout camp.  I have many of the high adventure neckers as well.  To each their own.  When I was getting ready for Philmont and hyping up the boys, I would wear different high adventure neckers from my past and it started a lot of discussions.  When each boy got a necker for Philmont, as I stated earlier, the others signed them and I, too, have another necker in my collection.

 

My boys in my current troop opted for patrol neckers.  Adults wear blaze orange cloth with white border, the border for the boys, (currently only one patrol) is black.  When we get enough boys for a second patrol, they can chose their own color.

 

My boys voted to have neckers, 36" square ones, and use them for many tasks around camp and at camporee competitions.


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#155 Eagledad

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Posted 22 May 2017 - 08:48 AM

Take a look at this, and then go read the "Iconic Mayday Scout image" discussion in the Issues and Politics section.

 

For all the uniform options discussions we have had on this forum, I found the picture striking. Anyone in the world knew at first glance the organization to which she belong. I wish the GSUSA was so bold. 

 

 http://i.imgur.com/9UKDt6W.jpg

 

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Posted 22 May 2017 - 08:54 AM

I'd rather ditch the overpriced uniform shirts and pants than ditch the necker.
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#157 Col. Flagg

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Posted 22 May 2017 - 10:05 AM

I'd rather ditch the overpriced uniform shirts and pants than ditch the necker.

 

Have you priced the neckers. They used to be $5. Recently they were $6.99. They are now $9.99!!! And that's for the generic ones. The Webelos one is $11!!! Custom ones are $13. Slides are $6!!!!

 

Sorry, but $20 for a part of the uniform the boys hate to wear, and lose fairly often, is too expensive.

 

Agree on the expensive uniform shirts and pants, but for the pants there are other options that are half the price and look the same.


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Posted 22 May 2017 - 10:44 AM

Make your own.  Might cost $1.00.  Need a sewing machine and operator.  One of the Dads.   :p

 

With what is going on around us and all the cool topics, it is striking that eight pages are devoted to a detail.

 

In the interest of dealing with the obvious boredom:

 

I think the buttons are too small on the shirts.

 

We should go back to all-dark khaki uniforms.  WWII is over and that color fabric is now available,  Much more stylish - "Coyote Brown"

 

Too many things to sew on.  Replace many with things that snap on the epaulets - rank and office to start since they change regularly.

 

Return to patrol "colors" pinned on shoulder.  One less thing to sew on.

 

Lose the plastic backing on the patches - makes sewing harder than it needs to be.

 

Official "Boonie" hat for $14.99.  Keep the sun off the neck and ears with something you can roll up, stick in a pocket, and wash.

 


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Posted 22 May 2017 - 11:40 AM

We make our own neckers, use basic cotton, blaze orange, 36" square, the Mrs. surges the edges and there are no markings on the necker.  Cheap, useful and the boys like them.  Saw a boy using his necker as a hot pad, another used his to hold his pudgy pie, and followed it up as a napkin.  They wash, no big deal.  This was two weeks ago at the camporee.  If they didn't use them, I wouldn't worry about it, but my boys come with shirts, with tails out, every sort of pants imaginable, and the necker.   


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#160 Col. Flagg

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Posted 22 May 2017 - 11:48 AM

We have too much going on to "make your own" for an item the guys would rather see done away with totally. If we had a meeting to do this we'd get 5 guys showing up, mostly because they didn't read their email about what the meeting was about. This would be right up next to the "bring your youngest sibling to Scouts and baby sit them" night.  ;)

 

Smaller units might  be able to do this, but larger ones where the necker is not popular, this would be a non-starter.


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