Looking back I guess it may at first appear to be dismissive, but in fact, I was trying to get across how useless the functionality of the requirement has become. I would dearly love to see the requirement go back to it's original usage and be something that benefits the espirit-de-corps for the boys. If used properly, I think it can be not only a helpful tool, but something the boys would enjoy. The way it is viewed today is nothing more than an extra "requirement" for advancement that means nothing of value to the boys, like say, maybe the Buddy System is where boys pair up and take care of each other. That makes sense. A patrol yell to parrot back to adults doesn't.
As far as "keeping score" goes. I don't worry about that. I just use the up and down arrows to gauge the comments I am making on the forum. 2 up and 2 down indicates to me a strong division, maybe something to pursue further, thus the added historical background from which I come from. I do wish that those that arrow up or down, follow up with comments in response rather than just a hit-and-run either way.
OK historian Stosh, a question?.... did ever in the past they have a practice of calling role when the troop comes together....just like they do for troops at summer camp before flag opening?
Yes, the patrol yell gathered the boys together. After they were bunched up, there is no need for the Yell. Obvious, why is anyone yelling when everyone's standing next to you? The patrol yell was a short distance communication tool in and around camp. The longer distant communication was the responsibility of the bugler. It is similar to the troop bugle calls. REVEILLE is the morning wake up call. One will notice it is the longest of all the calls because by the time the bugler got to the last note, the soldier/scout was to be out of bed and standing in line for morning roll call. Then there is the ASSEMBLY call, this is the long range troop call that functions exactly the same as the short distance patrol yell. Once they are all formed up, inspected and ready to go they wait for the TO THE COLOR call which then they march to the parade field as a troop of patrols This practice of communication and directives is how communication was done with large numbers of men. "Back then" they didn't have cell phones and email with a distribution list to get everyone gathered up. . Along with the yell, there's the patrol flag. I hear my PL giving the yell, and one looks in the general location through sound directive, but that could be a pretty wide area. The guy waving the flag, a visual communication tool. Is it OUR patrol flag or some other PL's patrol flag? I recognize my own and I now know that I am being summoned and where to find the gathering point. Kinda like RALLY ON THE FLAG call. Which Flag? If all the PL's are yelling Rally on the flag, it's kinda useless. But if they give the patrol yell, they know which flag to rally to.
So that at the opening of the troop meeting..... the SPL says "is the Coyote Patrol present?"....
If so, THEN there would be a reason for a yell.
At a general meeting where everyone is already gathered, the SPL takes a patrol roll. and the PL simply calls out, Coyote Patrol, all present (he's taken a patrol roll) OR (not AND) accounted for, meaning those not there are excused. No need for everyone to be yelling. An important piece of information from PL to SPL should not be interrupted with a lot of yelling.
I can even imagine using it when the troop comes together at summer camp or camporee.... instead of a "troop yell", it's each patrol sounding off in sequence.
In an ideal world, the camps should be using the patrol method and yes, the roll of units at morning and evening flags should be done by patrol as a patrol roll call, but the PL would again, being in close proximity, should give the patrol roll answer, "Coyote Patrol all present or accounted for". If the PL report doesn't go it tells the group, a patrol is missing or worse yet, "Coyote Patrol, present, one member unaccounted for." Now it gets exciting. The benefits of the system far out-weigh the boys all standing around yelling about who gets to go first in the chow line.
I am very "dismissive" of how the requirement is being used today. Functionally it is nothing more than a time to make jokes with a "catchy" campfire style skit yell. I would like to see it being used as it was intended to be so that it can become a useful tool once more for the boys instead of something to laugh about. It has its basis in the military and yes it sounds a bit military, but it is a quick and efficient way to gather the patrol, gather the troop, get to the parade field, give a brief accounting status of membership in the camp and get on to chow with the least amount of goofing around. One would think that a quick roll call of the boys before each meal would be functionally more appropriate than who goes first.
Seems like a lot of talk to say "OK, I shouldn't have said anything". If we truly want to get into what scouting traditions "adults" think should or shouldn't be used today, we aren't too far from debating the value of knots AND lashings in todays Velcro/bungee cord culture.