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#1 Stosh

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Posted 18 February 2017 - 09:42 AM

We as a nation have a serious problem if it has come to this.

 

http://www.foxnews.c...t-gunpoint.html


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Posted 18 February 2017 - 10:35 AM

We as a nation have a serious problem if it has come to this.
 
http://www.foxnews.c...t-gunpoint.html


Media to blame lack of gun control rather than poor parenting in 3...2...1...
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#3 Stosh

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Posted 18 February 2017 - 11:01 AM

Lack of gun control?  The perp had control of the gun, the girls only had laws to protect them.  Which was more effective?  Now I'm not advocating the Girl Scout start packing, but right in front of a public store?  What do these girls do in the neighborhoods when they go door-to-door?  Are they going to need a police escort?  Or at least one armed and trained parent?  As my thread title indicates - Has it really come to this?


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Posted 18 February 2017 - 01:26 PM

You know what left will say if we had gun co from this would t happen. That's the excuse every time a gun is used.
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#5 Stosh

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Posted 18 February 2017 - 01:43 PM

Wanna buy some cookies?

 

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Posted 18 February 2017 - 09:35 PM

Aw, come on gang,  it's a robbery, this poor excuse for a human decided it was an easy target.  He could've mugged somebody in the parking lot, but he chose the easy target. Gun control?  Doesn't help after the fact. It got so much news coverage because it was a Girl Scout, not an otherwise  poor woman or man  on the street.   Read  "The Weapon Shops of Isher " by Vogt.    Might as well blame the Boy Scouts for not getting this boy into a Scout Troop.  Might use this to talk about the need for after school programs, job training, better opportunities for youth, 

 

Guns are used because they can be used, and they are often seen as the thing to use, and the easy thing to use.   Might blame media too, for modeling violent, use of guns to get what you want.  Work and cooperation is booooooring.   What did I hear on TCM this evening? speaking of old movies vs modern flics,  " back then we couldn't blow up buildings, so we had to have good stories and develop characters..."

 

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#7 Stosh

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Posted 18 February 2017 - 10:06 PM

A little humor goes a long way to address some very serious issues.  While not many GS's out there are going to be going around selling cookies with a 50 caliber sniper rifle, there are many precautions that need to be constantly reemphasized when participating even in what is considered a "safe" situation, like outside a public store in broad daylight.  In this day and age it is different than in years past.  The big issue for women was park your car in a well lit area.  Now it's don't sell cookies in front of a public store in broad daylight.  In between, one might want to be that much more vigilant and go as more than mom and daughter when selling door-to-door.  One can't be too cautious today.  We try to instill some common sense rules into how we address things like this, but even now common sense is no longer all that common.


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Posted 20 February 2017 - 04:39 PM

I don't even want to know what web site you went to to find that photo, Stosh.  :)


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Posted 20 February 2017 - 05:50 PM

Hmm, or is this an example of one really extreme situation being blown way out of proportion and broadcast everywhere to the point where all sorts of people think this is normal.

 

How many girls sell cookies? How many get robbed at gun point? Is it worse than the odds of being struck by lightening? Is it getting worse? If not, then maybe this is just sensational news used to get more clicks. You know, the same thing that's keeping kids from enjoying the outdoors.


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#10 Stosh

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Posted 20 February 2017 - 06:12 PM

There's bugs in the world, one doesn't want to be out there with Lymes, encephalitis, Rocky Mountain fever, Yellow Fever, malaria, West Nile, etc. etc. and add to that all the poisonous plants and venemous snakes and spiders, and, and and, and then there's the bears.  No wonder it's hard to get the boys out of the basement.


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#11 Stosh

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Posted 20 February 2017 - 06:16 PM

I don't even want to know what web site you went to to find that photo, Stosh.   :)

 

It's a small troop in eastern Ohio who currently holds the top spot for selling cookies.  The troop in second place has about 10% of that troops gross sales.


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Posted 20 February 2017 - 06:21 PM

It's a small troop in eastern Ohio who currently holds the top spot for selling cookies.  The troop in second place has about 10% of that troops gross sales.

 

Girl led, no doubt.  :rolleyes:


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Posted 21 February 2017 - 10:05 AM

Media to blame lack of gun control rather than poor parenting in 3...2...1...

 

Is there any particular reason that it can't be both?


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#14 Stosh

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Posted 21 February 2017 - 01:52 PM

I don't think that with all the legislation in place we need any more.  The problem is not solved by adding more rules, the criminals don't follow them anyway.  Statistically speaking the places where there are more guns, more relaxed rules and where the rules are truly enforced have the lowest gun crime rate.

 

Then one has to take into consideration, knife control.  It would seem that ISIS has taken on that as a tactic.  I don't know of many knife control laws out there.  Next thing you know we'll all be eating our steaks like a Popsicle on a fork.  

 

It's just a lot easier to have parents bring up their young with a respect for others and if we once again become a civilized nation without crime, even the conceal carry people will leave their guns at home.


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Posted 22 February 2017 - 08:43 AM

Just need the right merit badge training.

 


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Posted 22 February 2017 - 09:12 AM


Then one has to take into consideration, knife control.  It would seem that ISIS has taken on that as a tactic.  I don't know of many knife control laws out there.  Next thing you know we'll all be eating our steaks like a Popsicle on a fork.  

 

 

http://gizmodo.com/w...ates-1697091171

for a general overview

 

http://www.knifeup.com/

Seems to be a more accurate site for official rules/laws.


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#17 Stosh

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Posted 22 February 2017 - 10:16 AM

Good articles.  when I was in reenacting as an officer, I often carried a holstered handgun and sword.  In colder temperatures I would put on a great coat and now they were both concealed.  I have a conceal carry permit for just such purposes.  But when going into a building with a musket, cased one was in violation of conceal carry.  Again as an infantry soldier, that would be a problem, too.  It meant that when I took my musket out of the trunk of my car and take the case off before going into the meeting place.  Some rules are really dumb.  I can openly carry a handgun in my state, but as soon as I put on a coat, I need instruction, testing and a permit.  I didn't realize how dangerous my coat really was.  :)


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Posted 22 February 2017 - 07:11 PM

http://gizmodo.com/w...ates-1697091171

for a general overview

 

http://www.knifeup.com/

Seems to be a more accurate site for official rules/laws.

The sites are misleading.

 

FALSE: "Ohio: Anything goes, just don't be a child playing with a toy gun [indistinguishable from a real gun] in a park [that has been the scene of several previous gang shootings]."

 

State laws are only part of the issue.

 

The largest number of criminal laws regarding knives are local - not state of federal.  In Cleveland, Ohio, the ordinance send you to jail for a minimum of six months if you possess a knife with a blade of 2.5" in a public place.  "Knife" is  not defined, so that rules out Micky D's plastic knives with their 3.25" blades.  Are they enforced?  Selectively.

 

Carrying any "weapon" concealed is a felony in Ohio, and whether a knife is a "Weapon" is a matter of the intent of the carrier and whether the knife was made or modified to be a weapon.  Selectively.

 

Knives in government buildings

 

The federal building across the street from where I worked for 25 years, the City Hall, and most high schools have a cafeterias that often provide knives. So much for no knives in a government building.  But try to carry a pocket knife into most government buildings and you will have problems.  Irrational, unless sandpaper is also barred.

 

New York City -  the Big Rotten Apple

 

In NYC, possessing any knife lock-blade knife that can eventually be opened by grasping the blade and shaking - even if the effort fails 9/10 of the time, is a serious crime because NYC, and only NYC, regards any such knife as a "gravity knife" under New York state law. Tens of thousands have been arrested, convicted, and jailed or imprisoned - for up to six years - for carrying common, everyday locking knives in NYC, including tradesmen who require them for their work (NOTE: possess).  A slip joint will probably stay closed due to its spring, but most locking knives have weak springs and can be opened by shaking against the weight of the handle, especially by practiced NYC policemen looking to pad their arrest numbers.

 

A bill to correct this miscarriage of justice passed the NY legislature easily (61-0 in the Senate and 99-12 in the Assembly) but was vetoed by Cuomo a few weeks ago, with the Mayor of NYC's strong approval.  


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Posted 23 February 2017 - 09:06 AM

Unfortunately, some cookie booths get robbed during the cookie season.  My dd and I have never had a problem in our area during cookie season, and in a couple of weeks we will be at it again.  


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#20 Stosh

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Posted 23 February 2017 - 09:52 AM

Be safe and best of luck with your selling!


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