Jump to content



Photo
- - - - -

"Conservation related" service hours

life rank service conservation

  • Please log in to reply
14 replies to this topic

#1 Chisos

Chisos

    Member

  • Members
  • 146 posts

Posted 12 February 2017 - 06:04 PM

The new Life req's require that 3 of the 6 hours are "conservation related."  Obviously stuff like picking up litter, planting trees, etc is ok.  But how much latitude are you SM's out there allowing here (I'm looking for suggestions, not an official rule).  Volunteering at a nature center?  Volunteering at an animal shelter?  A recycling center?  I'm tending to want to cast a broad net here, but not get too far out of line.


  • 0

#2 Eagle94-A1

Eagle94-A1

    Been there. Done that.

  • Members
  • 1992 posts

Posted 12 February 2017 - 06:26 PM

I'd count nature center and recycling center. Animal shelter would require more details for me.  \


  • 0

"Train 'em. Trust 'em. LET THEM LEAD!" William "Green Bar Bill" Hillcourt


#3 qwazse

qwazse

    Senior Member

  • Members
  • 6841 posts

Posted 12 February 2017 - 07:13 PM

Often communities have mandates but no budget for fulfilling them. Some example:
Tagging storm drains with "no dumping" warnings paint/stickers. That I would consider conservation.
Take inventory inventory of every tree on every sidelawn. Also conservation.
Take inventory of all signage in the neighborhood. Not conservation.
  • 0

#4 Back Pack

Back Pack

    Senior Member

  • Members
  • 691 posts

Posted 13 February 2017 - 08:12 AM

Someone on ScoutBook had good advice. If the hours would qualify for the service awards below, then they would apply for rank advancement.
Have not found any official distinction.

http://www.scouting....cognitions.aspx
  • 0

#5 Col. Flagg

Col. Flagg

    Robert E. Lee - Patriot

  • Members
  • 1415 posts

Posted 16 February 2017 - 05:42 PM

Anyone find anything on this yet? I cannot believe @Stosh or @NJCubScouter doesn't have a website with ready reference for all.  ;)


Edited by Col. Flagg, 16 February 2017 - 05:43 PM.

  • 0

#6 Stosh

Stosh

    Senior Member

  • Members
  • 12466 posts

Posted 16 February 2017 - 08:10 PM

http://blog.scouting...-project-ideas/

 

Happy now!  :D


  • 0

#7 Col. Flagg

Col. Flagg

    Robert E. Lee - Patriot

  • Members
  • 1415 posts

Posted 17 February 2017 - 01:32 PM

http://blog.scouting...-project-ideas/
 
Happy now!  :D

 
How did I know this would happen.
 
In all seriousness, I find it very odd that BSA did not define conservation hours. While I feel it is obvious there are things that would border on whether they should or should not be considered. A scout asked if taking care of his church was "conservation". I pointed out that was most likely "preservation", whereas (So I thought) "conservation" was directed toward natural resources. He promptly opened up his pocket Merriam-Webster and noted:

Definition of conservation

  • 1:  a careful preservation and protection of something; especially :  planned management of a natural resource to prevent exploitation, destruction, or neglect <water conservation><wildlife conservation>
  • 2:  the preservation of a physical quantity during transformations or reactions
  • So now I am left with anything this as my guide.  :D
     

I think the kid may be related to you @Stosh. He was just as stoic when pointing out how wrong I was. You should have seen his smile. :o
 


Edited by Col. Flagg, 17 February 2017 - 01:36 PM.

  • 0

#8 Stosh

Stosh

    Senior Member

  • Members
  • 12466 posts

Posted 17 February 2017 - 07:14 PM

 

 

I think the kid may be related to you @Stosh. He was just as stoic when pointing out how wrong I was. You should have seen his smile. :o
 

 

 

Are you insinuating I may have been promiscuous in my earlier years?  I'm offended,  NJCubScouter just warned about such slanderous attacks on one's character.  :)

 

I love it when kids do this to me, it assures me that my legacy will live on in future generations!  :D


  • 1

#9 qwazse

qwazse

    Senior Member

  • Members
  • 6841 posts

Posted 18 February 2017 - 05:39 PM

Col., rule #1, don't ask for a rule.


  • 0

#10 Col. Flagg

Col. Flagg

    Robert E. Lee - Patriot

  • Members
  • 1415 posts

Posted 20 February 2017 - 06:26 PM

Col., rule #1, don't ask for a rule.

 

Guidelines would be nice, as in "must be environmental related" or something like that.


  • 0

#11 qwazse

qwazse

    Senior Member

  • Members
  • 6841 posts

Posted 21 February 2017 - 06:27 AM

Guidelines would be nice, as in "must be environmental related" or something like that.

Yep. Sounds nice. Until some creative scout does something really creative, and a disgruntled committee member spouts off about it not being in the guidelines as if you've just tread on holy writ.

 

This is a question for patrol leaders to resolve. Period.


  • 0

#12 Back Pack

Back Pack

    Senior Member

  • Members
  • 691 posts

Posted 21 February 2017 - 07:42 AM

Yep. Sounds nice. Until some creative scout does something really creative, and a disgruntled committee member spouts off about it not being in the guidelines as if you've just tread on holy writ.
 
This is a question for patrol leaders to resolve. Period.


Disagree. Since it's part of advancement it should have guidelines in the GTA.
  • 0

#13 Chisos

Chisos

    Member

  • Members
  • 146 posts

Posted 21 February 2017 - 08:15 AM

Good discussion and thanks for the ideas.

 

In cases where it's not obvious, we decided to have the scout make a reasonable argument as to why it should count.  The service hours are to be "scoutmaster approved" anyway, so that's part of the approval.


  • 0

#14 Back Pack

Back Pack

    Senior Member

  • Members
  • 691 posts

Posted 21 February 2017 - 08:18 AM

Good discussion and thanks for the ideas.
 
In cases where it's not obvious, we decided to have the scout make a reasonable argument as to why it should count.  The service hours are to be "scoutmaster approved" anyway, so that's part of the approval.


This makes sense. Still would like to see if preservation of a building would be considered "conservation".
  • 0

#15 Stosh

Stosh

    Senior Member

  • Members
  • 12466 posts

Posted 21 February 2017 - 08:34 AM

Good discussion and thanks for the ideas.

 

In cases where it's not obvious, we decided to have the scout make a reasonable argument as to why it should count.  The service hours are to be "scoutmaster approved" anyway, so that's part of the approval.

 

Not patrol leader approved?  Sounds like BSA isn't following it's boy led principles, or are they just guidelines that can be ignored?


  • 0





Also tagged with one or more of these keywords: life rank, service, conservation

1 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 1 guests, 0 anonymous users