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#121 NealOnWheels

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Posted 01 April 2017 - 09:01 AM

Today's April Fools joke was not the Tour and Activity Plan...

 

http://blog.scouting...e-base-in-2019/


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#122 mashmaster

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Posted 02 April 2017 - 04:01 PM

Our council just made it official to us.  No more tour plans.


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#123 Back Pack

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Posted 02 April 2017 - 08:21 PM

No word from my Council. I expect word some time in 2023.
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#124 Ankylus

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Posted 03 April 2017 - 09:01 AM

Our council has officially done away with them.


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#125 qwazse

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Posted 03 April 2017 - 12:25 PM

Was at a council venturing meeting last night, and 2 out of 6 had not got the memo. One still was under the misconception that a plan was necessary for unit accident insurance to work.

 

As one would expect, it seemed that the folks who are managing active units or program were on top of this.


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#126 Chisos

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Posted 03 April 2017 - 01:25 PM

It's off the my.scouting.org page.  I just want to know if the one I sent in last Friday was the last one ever, haha!


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#127 RichardB

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Posted 03 April 2017 - 02:33 PM

It's off the my.scouting.org page.  I just want to know if the one I sent in last Friday was the last one ever, haha!

 

Send me a message with the particulars.    If you want to know if you are the "one".   


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#128 blw2

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Posted 04 April 2017 - 01:39 PM

and pulling up the rear...North Florida council as of just a couple minutes ago notified us in a "newsletter" email....

 
 
Tour and Activity Plan Terminated
 

The BSA’s Tour and Activity Plan is terminated effective April 1, 2017. There is no required new process, policy or procedure. Units will no longer need to file any trip forms of any kind.

Scouters are reminded to conduct the Scouting program consistent with BSA rules, regulations and policies. 

Activity Planning and program execution has not changed – parent permission to take youth on a trip is still required, program requirements for annual Health and Medical records for all participants, Cub Scout camping is still limited to council-approved locations, etc.

 

BSA has several planning tools such as Guide to Safe Scouting, Sweet 16 of BSA Safety, Commitment to Safety, etc. A flexible risk assessment strategy has also been adopted for your use which is summarized in the Guide to Safe Scouting or the Enterprise Risk Management Guidebook. 

 

 


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#129 DuctTape

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Posted 04 April 2017 - 03:29 PM

I am still smh at the fact when it was asked whether the original memo was legit, someone in the position of knowing did not simply say "yes".
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#130 Stosh

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Posted 04 April 2017 - 04:19 PM

I am still smh at the fact when it was asked whether the original memo was legit, someone in the position of knowing did not simply say "yes".

 

Direct answers such as "Yes" and "No" are not allowed in any literature of the BSA.


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Stosh

 

There's a reason why I don't always answer the phone, doorbell or comments on forums.  :)


#131 skeptic

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Posted 04 April 2017 - 04:58 PM

Here is the link to the most recent item from Scouting Magazine .  http://blog.scouting...lan-eliminated/

 


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#132 SSScout

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Posted 05 April 2017 - 08:18 PM

Does this mean we shouldn't plan when we tour :-)   ???


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#133 Gwaihir

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Posted 06 April 2017 - 08:43 AM

Our council just made it official to us this week. 


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#134 RememberSchiff

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Posted 14 May 2017 - 06:56 PM

Hah. :)   This just came up again in the Eagle Project Workbook, page 13

 

Logistics                            Check with your council service center to determine if a Tour and Activity Plan is required.

 

How will you handle transportation of materials, supplies, tools, and helpers? Will you need a Tour and Activity Plan?
 


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#135 RichardB

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Posted 15 May 2017 - 11:16 AM

FAQ's....http://www.scouting....ourPlanFAQ.aspx

 

Q. Has all literature been updated to reflect this change? 
A. Key documents are either updated or in the process of being updated. Other literature will be updated in the normal revision cycle so it may take several years to complete. If you find something to be updated feel free to let us know with the “Got Questions” link to the left.

 

Advancement materials are in the process of update....


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#136 Col. Flagg

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Posted 15 May 2017 - 12:09 PM

FAQ's....http://www.scouting....ourPlanFAQ.aspx

 

Q. Has all literature been updated to reflect this change? 
A. Key documents are either updated or in the process of being updated. Other literature will be updated in the normal revision cycle so it may take several years to complete. If you find something to be updated feel free to let us know with the “Got Questions” link to the left.

 

Advancement materials are in the process of update....

 

Years!!!!??? Years to update!!!????

 

Is it matter of getting the stone tablets out of the ark in order to change them? Or do the specialized skills for editing stone tablets not yet exist?  :rolleyes:

 

This is an example of a very easy, low-level task that could be done to keep folks properly informed. I don't think it is unreasonable for members to expect published information from the organization in which they are members to be up-to-date. This should have been planned for AHEAD of the announcement. Proof again BSA does not plan well, react well or adjust well. :dry:


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#137 MrBob

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Posted 15 May 2017 - 01:57 PM

Proof again BSA does not plan well, react well or adjust well. :dry:

 

Maybe National should be forced to continue to use Tour Permits until they figure out the planning aspect of the program?


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#138 Back Pack

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Posted 16 May 2017 - 07:15 AM

Maybe National should be forced to continue to use Tour Permits until they figure out the planning aspect of the program?


No. They should just learn how to run a professional organization where you update your documentation when you make a program change.

If it's going to take years to clean that up, national should expect people to be confused and disgruntled.
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Posted 17 May 2017 - 02:38 PM

Is it matter of getting the stone tablets out of the ark in order to change them?

 

Yes, stone tablets, they are a very, very, very, very early version of the iPad.


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#140 NJCubScouter

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Posted 17 May 2017 - 03:12 PM

No. They should just learn how to run a professional organization where you update your documentation when you make a program change.

If it's going to take years to clean that up, national should expect people to be confused and disgruntled.

 

And even when they do update them, old documents have a way of hanging around on the Internet until the end of time.  When I look for things online like the Guide to Advancement or Troop Committee Guidebook, I tend to find multiple versions from various years and have to figure out which is the (or at least, "a") more recent version.  You can even find, if you want to, the publication on advancement that pre-dated the Guide to Advancement.

 

And then of course there are publications which apparently aren't even supposed to be on the Internet (because the BSA charges money for them) but which some unit or individual Scouter has scanned and posted.

 

All of which creates a great deal of confusion for people trying to find up-to-date information.  I can understand that the BSA does not want to do paper printings of documents "ahead of schedule" due to the cost, but there is no reason why there cannot be a specific online repository of all BSA documents (including those that currently cost money - yeah, sure) that is updated whenever a major change needs to be made - and I think the elimination of the tour permit/plan falls into that category.


Edited by NJCubScouter, 17 May 2017 - 03:14 PM.

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