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Camping 9B - Plan and carry out an overnight snow camping experience.


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#21 NJCubScouter

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Posted 16 January 2017 - 05:37 PM

Maybe I have missed something in this thread, but there seems to be a lot of agonizing about how to satisfy an OPTIONAL requirement.  The requirement gives six options and you have to do two.  Only one requires snow.  So if you have no snow, and aren't traveling to where they do, you do two of the other five.  

 

There are practical issues to some of the others too.  For example, I would have to get out a topographical map of northwestern New Jersey to determine whether there is a practical way to gain 1,000 feet in elevation while hiking in this state, even on the AT.  Our "High Point" (which is on the AT) is 1,803 feet above sea level and obviously the surrounding area is elevated as well.  Of course, it doesn't say you have to do it all in one day, but it would still be interesting.  And you can always go to Pa. or NY.  And I guess there are other states where this would be even more difficult, if not impossible.  On the other hand, we do have snow, but there's no guarantee that there will be enough of it on the ground in a given weekend to call it a "snow camping experience."


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#22 TAHAWK

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Posted 16 January 2017 - 06:33 PM

Again, are we making it too hard?  Snow is snow.  A weekend campout is a weekend campout (except in Journey to Excellence where it may be a weekend in a building watching videos or playing e-games).


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#23 blw2

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Posted 17 January 2017 - 09:27 AM

well, whatever it is.....

if my scouts wanted to do a snow camping experience

and it was an experience in deep snow, sleeping in snow caves or igloos (as long as it's not a 'barely igloo' made form not quite enough snow so that everything is a muddy mess....)

then count me in.... I would love to get that experience myself!

 

I lived in the North as a kid, and have spent some quality time as an adult living a few months in the dead of winter...

and I have gone on several ski trip vacations

So I understand snow, snow forts, sledding, and so on.  Even made a snow cave once as a kid into a drift on the side of the hill in my backyard

but it wasn't a proper snow cave with low entrance, sleeping shelves, etc.... and I didn't sleep in it.

I would love to check that one off!


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#24 krikkitbot

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Posted 17 January 2017 - 09:35 AM

I would think that it is up to the discretion of the MB Counselor as long as he/she is not adding anything to the requirements. 

 

Do the requirements have a minimum amount of snow listed?

Do the requirements have a maximum temperature, humidity, etc.?


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#25 qwazse

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Posted 17 January 2017 - 10:31 AM

I would think that it is up to the discretion of the MB Counselor as long as he/she is not adding anything to the requirements. 

 

Do the requirements have a minimum amount of snow listed?

Do the requirements have a maximum temperature, humidity, etc.?

No specifications of the sort, although admittedly I have not cracked open the pamphlet in ages to see what might be described.

If you are getting ready for camping in snow, you are necessarily preparing for a wide envelope.


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#26 Stosh

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Posted 17 January 2017 - 11:37 AM

What the various options listed in the MB pamphlet seem to indicate is some sort of camping experience beyond the standard plop camping most troops seem to find acceptable.

 

I have to admit that when I travel hard and fast over long distances, my Class-B camper and a I-highway rest area are often the accommodations that apply.  I used to have a small camper trailer, and a pop-up, for some trips that had a camping destination.  The year the Mrs. and I went to Yellowstone, the campground was a great place for the buffalo to spend the night as well and if one needed to get up to head for the KYBO in the middle of the night, they had to be careful not to disturb them.  A tent might not have been practical at that point. 

 

I have done the plop routine when the patrols are young (no scout trailer though) and I have stripped down to the bare essentials with backpacking and canoeing.  But the real test is kayak camping.  That's like a combo of backpacking and canoeing.  I do have a 17' canoe that can handle 750# where most canoes max out at 350#.  A kayak, on the other hand will barely fit enough gear to meet backpacking standards.  Now that is challenging camping at it's best.  The Mrs. and I are planning a week+ trip this summer doing the kayak camping routine.

 

Snow camping?  Just another challenge with the requirements of temperamental temperatures dipping below freezing rather than trying to limit one's weight of a backpack experience or load limits and balance of a canoe or bicycle trek,

 

What I think the optional requirements are meant to portray is the variety of different challenges that can happen in the world of camping besides going out in the woods, opening up the back of the trailer and plopping down for the weekend at a State Park..


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#27 John-in-KC

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Posted 31 March 2017 - 10:56 AM

If this was a mandatory item...

 

Well, this would be the end of Boy Scouting in a chunk of the South.

 

Snow was so rare in my Southern California troop we gave a special award for camping in it.


Edited by John-in-KC, 31 March 2017 - 10:57 AM.

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#28 Stosh

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Posted 31 March 2017 - 02:32 PM

Gee, when I was in Southern California (San Diego County) my church youth group went up in the mountains and had a great time sledding.  It may be warm on the coast, but I found snow there.  Flagstaff AZ is noted for it's snowfalls as well.  somehow I get the feeling that some of the southern boys have less distance to find snow than we do to find no-snow.  :)


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#29 TAHAWK

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Posted 31 March 2017 - 04:14 PM

Recollections change with time.

 

Went up to the San Bernardino Mountains for snow, but few Scouts (or adults) had the right boots to cold/wet.

 

Flagstaff was not a practical distance - 462 miles from the church.  Leave at 7PM and arrive at campsite (at 7050 ft elev.) at 2:30 AM, if no one crashed.

 

Drove through 'da Flag once when there was 8' of snow on the ground.  Still didn't have the right boots.  :blink:


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