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#1 SSScout

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Posted 31 December 2016 - 01:09 PM

FYI,  Scout participation promises to be minimal....  sort of last minute requests....

 

http://dc.about.com/...ration-2017.htm  

 

and  Wanted:  Eagles to March in the Parade !

 

http://www.ncacbsa.o...ration-updates/  

 

 


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#2 qwazse

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Posted 31 December 2016 - 03:49 PM

So the second link says we're past the deadline. Do you have knowledge that the date's been extended?


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#3 Oldscout448

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Posted 31 December 2016 - 07:07 PM

The OA lodge for Washington DC has traditionally helped out with inaugurations. But as far as I know we have not yet been asked. A number of scouts and scouters have planned to take time off to be there. But right now we are in a holding pattern.
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#4 SSScout

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Posted 01 January 2017 - 06:29 AM

Well, what you saw is what I got.   I am not even sure "they" are asking for Scouts to help with directions and crowd control as in years past....


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Posted 01 January 2017 - 09:02 AM

You are awake at 6:30am on January first? "Thou art a better man than I am Gunga Din."

I feel for the scouts they were quite exited at the prospect of helping at a national event. Of course the fancy patches that the older scouts proudly wear from the '09 election may have something to do wirh it.
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#6 Stosh

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Posted 01 January 2017 - 11:27 AM

Gee, I didn't know 6:30 am on January 1st even existed...... :)


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Posted 03 January 2017 - 09:02 AM

 6:30 am on January 1st? My dogs bladder keeps me motivated to get out of bed! 


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#8 Stosh

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Posted 03 January 2017 - 10:14 AM

It might help @Tampa Turtle if you didn't let your dog over-indulge on New Year's Eve, those beers can be a real bladder killer.


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Posted 03 January 2017 - 10:37 AM

I take no responsibility for the clock on this site.  It wasn't in the AM, fershur.      I write THIS at 11:30am Tuesday 3 January 2017....  aaaaaand the post is hit NOW>


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#10 Oldscout448

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Posted 08 January 2017 - 08:23 AM

Still no word.  looks like I better plan a hike on the A trail instead.


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Posted 16 January 2017 - 05:13 PM

Still no word.  looks like I better plan a hike on the A trail instead.

 

Nothing beyond the Eagle Scouts requested.  Our chief from the north was chosen to march though.

 

I would have really liked to do some service, as would so many of our other chapter mates, but, it looks like it is Klondike Derby for us that weekend.  Maybe in 4 years. 


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#12 hiker67

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Posted 22 January 2017 - 02:29 PM

Flag etiquette:

 

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#13 Stosh

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Posted 22 January 2017 - 03:19 PM

Flag etiquette?  What am I missing?


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Posted 22 January 2017 - 04:33 PM

Flag etiquette?  What am I missing?

 

Hint 1:  Three out of five ain't bad.


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#15 Stosh

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Posted 22 January 2017 - 05:00 PM

Okay,  I'll bite

 

1) Mrs. Trump has been a US citizen for only 10 years.  I will cut her a little slack in the US Flag Code for civilians.  Is the First Lady a "civilian"?    I dunno.  Probably.   I'm not going to judge. When in doubt, stand at attention.  Which she is doing.

2) President Trump is Commander-in-Chief of all US military.  Military salute is in order.  Civilian FLAG CODE does not apply to non-civilians.  By the way, what uniform does the Commander-in-Chief wear?  From what I can tell, it's always been a suit, shirt and tie, unless they are playing golf.

3) Solider in full uniform does a military salute.  Okay, I can see that.

4) VP Pence does a civilian salute, he is not military unless something happens to the president.  The original US Flag Code adopted in 1923 said all male civilians without hats were to simply stand at attention and only women and children were to salute with their hand over their heart.  If a man did have a hat on he was to take it off and hold it in his hand which was over his heart.  UNLESS IT WAS RAINING,  Then he was to remove his hat and hold it over his head to keep the rain off.

5) Mrs. Pence does a civilian salute.  No problem.

 

Of course if President Trump saluting, it is now an appropriate practice that all military, active and veteran can salute the flag while in civilian clothing.  I do believe President Trump as Commander-in-Chief is active military in civilian clothing.

 

Seriously, I didn't really see anything being done by any of the 5 people as being disrespectful which the US Flag Code for civilians addresses.  That's why the posting confused me.

 

And I'll take to task any scouter in the BSA that is not in full uniform and salutes with a hand salute is showing more disrespect than any of these 5 people.  When a scout/scsouter is out of uniform, the civilian, hand-over-the-heart, is the proper salute.

 

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Posted 22 January 2017 - 05:15 PM

Ms. Trump does not have her hand over her heart.  Barack Obama was taken to task when he did the same at another event.

 

Protocol allows for military personnel and veterans to hand salute the flag.  Civilians, including the President, should place their hands over their hearts, unless they are in uniform for other reasons.  The Obamas had their hands over their hearts during the inaugurations.  (I've read that Eisenhower never saluted when he was President.)


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#17 Stosh

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Posted 22 January 2017 - 05:50 PM

When in doubt, stand at attention.  That in and of itself is a sign of respect for the occasion.  If I was in Canada and they were playing the Canadian National Anthem (Oh, Canada), in order to show my respect, I have stood quietly at attention.  When in doubt, just stand at attention.  That is universal sign of respect.

 

Like I said Mrs. Trump is doing just that and if the Obamas were chastised for that, then shame on those who did so.

 

President Trump is NOT a civilian, he is Commander-in-Chief of all things military in the United States.  A salute of respect is appropriate as was for my father, whom I never saw in military uniform, but always hand-saluted the flag when appropriate.  As a radio/navigator/belly gunner on a US Navy torpedo bomber during WW II  at the age of 17, he earned that right.  President Trump, and as for former-President Obama when he was in office, is entitled to that same right.

 

Former-President Eisenhower never saluted?  Does that mean he simply stood at a respectful attention as Mrs. Trump is doing?

 

If I had a dollar for every time I see someone showing less respect for our Flag than shown by President and Mrs. Trump in this picture, I'd die a rich man.


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Posted 22 January 2017 - 06:56 PM

The President is commander of the military but is not part of the military.  The framers of the Constitution placed the military under civilian control in order to avoid the problems faced in the European empires.  Only Congress can fund the military and only Congress can declare war.  The DOD has a document on the subject of civilian control at:

 

http://archive.defen...e.aspx?id=45870

 

The President doesn't qualify for military benefits, unless he/she was in the military previously.  Military personnel must salute the President, but the President is not required to return the salutes.  Similarly, the secretaries of defense and the military branches are also civilians; in fact, military experience is not required for any of those positions.  

 

I believe Eisenhower placed his hand over his heart as other presidents did.


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#19 UncleP

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Posted 22 January 2017 - 07:27 PM

Isn't the most important thing that they were showing respect for the flag.


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Posted 22 January 2017 - 07:41 PM

Isn't the most important thing that they were showing respect for the flag.

 

For most people, myself included, yes.  But there are those that scrutinize every politician's lapel for a US flag pin.


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