Posted Today, 03:58 PM
I think that this is an outstanding goal. I think a shortfall in WEBELOS is the lack of DL knowledge of patrol method. The idea doesn't really get taught all that well it seems, and so really a WEBELOS and even an AOL really isn't all that much ahead of a boy walking into a troop meeting off the street.
...... But that's because we talk about them at every meeting, and I want them prepared so that as soon as they graduate to the Troop, they can pass of their Scout rank at their first meeting. .....
A flip side to the idea though is that the scouts might get a bit bored earlier on.
If the troop guide and instructor does what it is that they do, regardless the ability of the new scouts...
Or if the scouts and /or adults in the troop hold onto any preconceived notions about age and ability.
As an example, our SM has started an idea of a "high adventure patrol"...Open only to older scouts.... I forget the age exactly. But the idea is sound..... let the older scouts do some fun stuff to help hold their interest. I like it a lot.
what it's really doing is throttling the younger boys.
One example of a suggested activity was to canoe over to Cumberland Island, where it is possible to camp.... and it wouldn't be tailgate camping.
I asked why not let any scout come along that wants to go..... I know my son would enjoy it much more than having some older scout read to him out of the book about how to do some particular thing or another....such as build a camp fire. But the answer i got back was that the younger guys wouldn't be able to handle it..... or some such thing......
so my point is this.... get them too ready and they may just get throttled back anyway to the point of being bored.
Might should prepare them while you're at it with tools on how to overcome adult influenced ideas....
So, one has this great idea to retain older boys, give them high adventure and they hang together and have a good time. Then one wonders about the younger boys getting left out? This is why I spun this off into the Patrol Method area of the forum.
The older boys (Venturing Patrol) go and have fun and aren't bored. This is great!
Younger boys (NSP) are jealous! and feel left out. Well, Cupcake, get your patrol organized, trained and plan a major trip of your own! Who says you have to miss out when the only thing holding you back is yourself?
NSP PL: Mr. Stosh? How come the older boys get to go primitive camping and we can't go along?
Mr. Stosh: Who said you can't?
NSP PL: They did, the boys in the Venture Patrol.
Mr. Stosh: That's not your patrol, why would you think you should go along?
NSP PL: Because they are doing all the fun things.
Mr. Stosh: You're the PL, make plans to do it as a patrol too?
NSP PL: We don't know how.
Mr. Stosh: Why not? All the knowledge to pull it off is in learning the S->FC requirements. The only thing holding you back is yourselves.
By the way, when I was WDL my boys planned out a farewell to Cub Scout outing by canoeing out to a remote island, set up camp, dug latrines, cooked for the weekend, fished, canoed, swam, had a great time and came home all in one piece.
The key to the whole thing is the WDL never said, "NO, YOU CAN"T DO THAT."
And as an added note, the Saturday night meal was baked potatoes, corn on the cob roasted on the fire and a nice steak. Cobbler for desert. All done by the boys. I did help them time the steaks so they wouldn't get ruined per their request.
The reason the NSP boys take a beating in the troops is because the adults totally underestimate their abilities and their drive to succeed. If the NSP want to do a primitive campout, let them! They'll learn it isn't as easy as the older boys make it out to be, but with training, the second time out is always better.