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#21 David CO

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Posted 17 December 2016 - 01:43 PM

I would like to see it in the Boyce Building in Chicago, along with a Lone Scout museum.  I believe the Boyce building is privately owned, so acquiring the property would probably be cost prohibitive.

 

There is a museum in Ottawa, Illinois.  I don't know if they would be capable of expanding to include a larger collection.

 

The idea of a traveling exhibit might be best.

 

Philmont is probably the worst location I can think of, so it would naturally appeal to BSA executives.


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Posted 18 December 2016 - 02:16 PM

Philmont is probably the worst location I can think of, so it would naturally appeal to BSA executives.


I am sure the fact that they already own Philmont had a lot to do with it.
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Posted 18 December 2016 - 02:47 PM

I am sure the fact that they already own Philmont had a lot to do with it.

 

Of course it did.

 

A good campground needs to be in a more remote area, off the beaten path, not near airports and six-lane highways. A good museum must be more easily accessible. Campgrounds and museums just don't mix.


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#24 Stosh

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Posted 19 December 2016 - 08:48 AM

it won't be a museum as much as it will be a storehouse of scouting paraphernalia,  I really don't think BSA is seriously into the museum business or they would have put more thought into this unfortunate decision.


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Posted 19 December 2016 - 11:04 AM

.... I really don't think BSA is seriously into the museum business ...

 

LOL ... Most museums are about survival, not profit.  BSA is a niche museum at best.  
 
Philmont is an understandable choice.  You have a guaranteed visitor base from all over the nation with all the high adventure scouts.  I don't understand though why not the Summit too?  Or, multiple locations.

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#26 TAHAWK

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Posted 19 December 2016 - 04:18 PM

The Summit is closer by far to the population center of the U.S.


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#27 desertrat77

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Posted 19 December 2016 - 04:53 PM

The new museum will be busy.  At least from June to August.   Lots of trekkers and training center folks strolling thru, looking to fill a couple hours before dinner or before they catch their bus to the train station for the trip home.

 

And the gift shop will be fully stocked with all sorts of items that folks will want to buy.

 

I know it's Wiki, but they state that about 23,000 scouts and scouters will be at Philmont for a trek during a year.    

https://en.wikipedia...ont_Scout_Ranch

 

Add a couple thousand more for the Philmont Training Center (I didn't look for a number for PTC) and now you've got an audience.

 

The rest of the year, I envision reduced staffing at the museum but they'll be open nonetheless.   In the fall, you'll have the autumn adventure folks, and then the winter camps.  Not big numbers there, but I'm sure it will be on par or near it compared to the numbers that visit Irving now (high-dollar real estate).


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#28 TAHAWK

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Posted 19 December 2016 - 05:02 PM

"We wanted the National Scouting Museum to be something very special," says Anderson Chandler, National Executive Board member and chair of the Properties Committee, "and it is. It is an educational experience that reaches beyond cases and collections to show us the glory of our past, and the bright promise of our future. This is not a tribute to days gone by, but a bold, exciting testament to the volunteers, members, and supporters who have built an entire movement around the Scout Oath and the 12 points of the Scout Law."

 

Excluding Bill, of course.  50,000 square feet, but no room for him.


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#29 RememberSchiff

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Posted 19 December 2016 - 06:21 PM

Does the BSA intend to sell the Irving museum property or covert it to more office space. perhaps an IT center? 


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#30 desertrat77

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Posted 19 December 2016 - 06:25 PM

Excluding Bill, of course.  50,000 square feet, but no room for him.

Very true.  Those idealistic young execs in the '70s who were true believers in the Improved Scouting Program apparently haven't gotten over the fact that the ISP failed.   Though they are retired or in senior positions now, they still won't forgive Bill for saving the BSA.


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Posted 19 December 2016 - 06:30 PM

Does the BSA intend to sell the Irving museum property or covert it to more office space. perhaps an IT center? 

IT center...good idea, but once National moves its sole Commodore 64 to the new location, there will be lots of extra space!  :)


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#32 The Latin Scot

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Posted 19 December 2016 - 06:46 PM

I just hope this doesn't cause any problems with the Scouting Heritage merit badge, where one of the requirement options is to write to the Irving museum for information, in return for which they receive a patch, a pamphlet, and a few other goodies. During the transition, I hope there aren't any troublesome delays in that process. I would hate to be a scout waiting 3 - 4 months for that packet to arrive so I could complete the requirement, and as a counsellor, I don't want to see any boys frustrated by the possibility.

That said, it should make the old patch a fun item for the collectors. I am sure the will have a fancy new one after the move is completed.
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Posted 19 December 2016 - 06:54 PM

Scouting Heritage MB.  

Give a short biographical summary of any TWO of the following, and tell of their roles in how Scouting developed and grew in the United States prior to 1940.

 

(1) Daniel Carter Beard

(2) William D. Boyce

(3) Waite Phillips

(4) Ernest Thompson Seton

(5) James E. West

 

 

 

Since 1929, when he wrote the first Handbook for Patrol Leaders for the Boy Scouts of America, Bill Hillcourt has been the foremost influence on development of the Boy Scouting program.

Scouting, Vol. 73, No. 4, September, 1985, at p. 26.


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#34 TAHAWK

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Posted 19 December 2016 - 06:55 PM

Scouting Heritage MB.  

Give a short biographical summary of any TWO of the following, and tell of their roles in how Scouting developed and grew in the United States prior to 1940.

 

(1) Daniel Carter Beard

(2) William D. Boyce

(3) Waite Phillips

(4) Ernest Thompson Seton

(5) James E. West

 

 

 

Scouting, Vol. 73, No. 4, September, 1985, at p. 26.

 

BP started it and Bill gave it it's American features, such as boys electing their leaders.


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#35 The Latin Scot

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Posted 21 December 2016 - 03:34 PM

Methinks I have stumbled upon some controversy here, tee hee.  ;)

 

However, my question was not about requirement 2a., but rather this one:

 

4b. Write or visit the National Scouting Museum in Irving, Texas. Obtain information about this facility. Give a short report on what you think the role of this museum is in the Scouting program

 

At the present, a letter or e-mail to the Museum is reciprocated with a letter, patch, brochure, etc. But suppose a Scout is earning the badge during the move from Irving to Philmont. To which does he write, and until when? I assume they will change the requirement when the transition is completed? Alas, I know not.

 

I'm afraid I don't quite know what the deal is with all this discussion about good ol' Green Bar Bill, though I think I can piece it together from what I have read so far. I won't ask though, since something tells me that would only ignite some heated debate, and Smokey always warned me about starting wildfires.    :rolleyes:


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#36 TAHAWK

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Posted 21 December 2016 - 05:05 PM

Simple, he has to write to the museum "in Irving Texas."  No authority to revise that requirement outside of Irving, Texas.  0___0


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Posted 21 December 2016 - 05:05 PM

IT center...good idea, but once National moves its sole Commodore 64 to the new location, there will be lots of extra space!  :)

 

I dunno, I am not sure there is enough room for half of the IT consultants. :unsure:


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#38 Col. Flagg

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Posted 21 December 2016 - 05:22 PM

I have been to the National Scout Museum a great deal. I have many friends that live in Circle Ten Council and have heard a great deal about the museum's issues from them too.

 

From what I understand, the museum traditionally had around 20-22,000 visitors per year in just about every location. When it first moved to Dallas it was heavily used by local units. They would offer lock-ins, MB classes, Activity Badge workshops and other such things. There's a pretty good Scout shop there too. One, very overlooked item is the Norman Rockwell collection. It is almost like going to an art museum the way it's set up.

 

After 2-3 years of heavy use, some of the cooler exhibits were broken and never repaired. There was a shooting gallery that worked most of the time, but not always. You had to buy a token for 2 mins of shooting. They had a Pinewood Derby track but that stopped working almost the first year. You'd think they could keep that running. Several of the interactive exhibits (they had a mountain bike and deep sea fishing game) broken down early on too and were never repaired. The place got the reputation pretty fast that 20-30% of the stuff there "wouldn't work" on a frequent basis. Still, the other exhibits were pretty cool...but for older Scouts, not young cubs or young Boy Scouts. Really should have had more to engage the video generation.

 

There were tours. You could get a unit ribbon for completing a scavenger hunt for clues in the museum. They had a few Disney-esque animatronic things there. Seton, B-P, Beard and I think one other were done as animatronics.

 

Basically the place got the reputation of "been there, done that". While they did rotate exhibitions to a degree, it was still pretty stale if you lived near it. If they had some more techno-stuff to make the lock-ins more fun it might have driven a bit more repeat business from Dallas and Ft. Worth. There's certainly no wanting for Scout units in the area.

Not sure going to Philmont is going to increase your attendance any more than its past locations. Doesn't Philmont get around 20k visitors a year? That would mean EVERY visitor to Philmont would have to go and visit to make that happen. I don't see that happening.


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Posted 21 December 2016 - 05:33 PM

When I was there, the docent, the shop clerk, the receptionist were the only people there for the time I was there.  It reminded me of my local children's museum rather than a serious attempt as a legitimate museum.  I did like the Rockwell exhibit, the only thing there worth seeing.


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Posted 21 December 2016 - 06:49 PM

TripAdvisor ranks the National Scout Museum #2 of 31 things to do in Irving

 

https://www.tripadvi...ving_Texas.html


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