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#1 CNYScouter

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Posted 25 October 2016 - 02:18 PM

I just received an email from my council about a new council resource fee being added to 2017 re-charters.

This is due to the changes from the 

Presidential Executive Order that is effective December 1 and will dramatically impact the Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA) and by force of law dramatically increase our professional payroll costs.
Registration will be increased to $60 per Scout/Scouter.$24 is National Registration fee, $10 for insurance ans the balance of $26 to go to our council.
 
Are you seeing this kind of increase?

 


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#2 Fehler

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Posted 25 October 2016 - 02:39 PM

Yes, but ours is $144.


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#3 deanofmac

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Posted 25 October 2016 - 03:08 PM

Nothing added to Illowa Council as far as I know. Buy it's probably coming.


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#4 Snow Owl

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Posted 26 October 2016 - 06:31 AM

Southeast Louisiana has not announced anything like this yet but they tend to keep us in the dark about everything.

 

And related questions, can a unit refuse to pay these add'l fees?  Can a unit opt out of their council?   Doubling the fees will make it difficult to justify the program to many chartered organizations.

 

From a purely cost perspective of a program; Scouting is expensive compared to other after school or extra curriculum options now.


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#5 David CO

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Posted 26 October 2016 - 07:11 AM

No, a unit cannot opt out of a council.  If a unit could opt out of a council, I would have done it years ago.


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Posted 26 October 2016 - 07:24 AM

Actually, the scouting budget is quite small compared to most of our extra-curricular activities.  Basketball and football are far more expensive (per participant) than scouting.


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Posted 26 October 2016 - 07:30 AM

I could sure see this as an issue.....

 

As treasurer, I'm still trying to collect all of our dues for the year.  We charge $100....with $36 going to national for dues and Boys Life, and the balance being a troop "activity" fee.  If they were to blindside us with an additional fee, that would look very bad to have to go back and collect more.  It would be very tacky, IMO


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#8 Snow Owl

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Posted 26 October 2016 - 09:25 AM

From a School or charter organization prospective - scouting is more akin to an after school programs like soccer, chess, cross country etc.  the total cost from families and leaders for a cub scout pack with 48 scouts is $9,000 +/-   This BSA fees, boys life, uniforms, handbooks, rank and recognition.  With the program we provide all of the manpower and resources.  

 

Every year when my 100+ Scout cub scout pack writes the check for charter renewal in excess of $4,000  we always have the same question.  So what are we getting for our money?  On top of this cost we then tell parents they are the manpower for the program, you now need to go but handbooks, uniforms, patches etc.  Oh and you also need to sell popcorn, camp cards and donate to FOS......  Between our Pack and Troop the total expenses paid to BSA by the chartered organization and/or the scout parents in dues, fees and scout shop is nearly $20K.   Then there are the expenses we pay for camping, pinewood derby, blue and gold, rain gutter, Arrow of light, supplemental training etc. 


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#9 David CO

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Posted 26 October 2016 - 09:36 AM

A unit isn't required to sell popcorn, camp cards, and donate to FOS.  We don't.

 

If the council fees are becoming too much for your unit, perhaps you should reduce your FOS donations.


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Posted 26 October 2016 - 09:37 AM

Our fees are not going up.

 

But I am skeptical that the whole $26/scout is actually a direct result of the change in the law.

 

I'm not sure how big your council is, but the old exempt salary minimum was $23,660, the new salary is $47,476 so for every 900 or so scouts they would be able to increase a DE from the old minimum to the new.  How many DEs do they have at the actual rock bottom minimum, how many scouts in the council?  I'm just skeptical that they can attribute that whole increase into coming into compliance.  

 

A characteristic that I find really distasteful in any organization is when they attribute some unpleasant action they want to take on some outside agent so that they can disclaim responsibility for their own actions.


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#11 Eagle94-A1

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Posted 26 October 2016 - 10:07 AM

Connecticut Yankee Council is doing this, but calling it a council operations fee.  https://www.ctyankee...psfee/opsfeefaq


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Posted 26 October 2016 - 10:10 AM

Apparently this is a trend as I am seeing a bunch of councils doing this, and it looks like a form letter is being used to explain why councils are charging "resource fees," "Program Fees,"  what ever it is called.

 

http://www.bsa-jacks...gram-fees/64034

 

http://www.cnyscouts.org/


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Posted 26 October 2016 - 11:36 AM

well, whatever it is..... I'm honestly embarrassed sometimes about the money....

Our troop is a mostly affluent area, so mostly it's not a big deal.... but it does seem like everytime we turn around there is something being said or asked about money

annual dues $100

then at the same time, we're trying to "push" one or more fundraising efforts

then once a month there's a camp, usually we're asking $20 a head for grub

then....oh yeah, don't forget to sign up for that fundraising effort.....

then next month another $20 grub fee

then there's an opportunity for some random MB fair..... that has a fee

then we're starting to talk about summer camp..... that'll cost you....

then the parents have to start thinking about a new uniform since he's growing.... or lost his uniform socks.....

it seems it's always about money!


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Posted 26 October 2016 - 11:53 AM

These fees don't materialize out of nowhere.  Has anyone critical of the fees spoken to anyone on your council executive board?  Does your chartered organization rep attend meetings and express your unit's dissatisfaction with the fees?  In the end, the fees are implemented by people, not some faceless "council."


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#15 Snow Owl

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Posted 26 October 2016 - 01:43 PM

I do not know about other councils but our executive board is huge, 60 members not counting the CORs, and is made up mainly of community leaders and money people who have not active involvement in scouting other than writing checks.  The board only meets once a year for a warm fuzzy meeting.


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Posted 26 October 2016 - 03:20 PM

I do not know about other councils but our executive board is huge, 60 members not counting the CORs, and is made up mainly of community leaders and money people who have not active involvement in scouting other than writing checks.  The board only meets once a year for a warm fuzzy meeting.

 

The "council" is the entire voting membership, including COR's.  They meet once a year.   The Executive Board is a smaller group who meet regularly and actually get things done, and then have them rubber stamped at the annual meeting .   


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#17 Hedgehog

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Posted 30 October 2016 - 06:02 AM

Ours is $24 per scout and $1 insurance.  Council supports itself with popcorn, fundraisers, summer camp, camporees, scout shop and FOS.  

 

The claim that the Fair Labor Standards Act caused the issue is spurious at best.  All they need to do is take the current weekly salary (say, divide it by the number of hours spent a week, including time and a half for overtime, and then translate it into an annual salary.  So if someone is making $30,000 per year working 50 hours a week, the salary could be set at $10 an hour.  $10 x 40 hours = $400 plus $10 x 15 (10 hours overtime at time and a half) = $150 for a total of a $550 week.  Annualized, that is $33,800.  If you set the hourly wage to $9 an hour, then it is pretty close to $30,000.

 

then once a month there's a camp, usually we're asking $20 a head for grub

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then next month another $20 grub fee

 

We charge $15 a person for food for a weekend. That typically includes a Friday night snack (how about hot pretzels in a Dutch oven or Jiffy Pop over a campfire or s'mores?), Saturday Breakfast (Eggs, Bacon, Biscuits), Saturday Lunch (sandwiches or hot dogs cooked in a cast iron skillet), Saturday Dinner (italian sausages, chuck steaks, chili, baked chicken, hamburgers or meatballs  served with Dutch oven pasta), Saturday Dessert (dump cakes, s'mores, Dutch Oven brownies) and Sunday Breakfast (pancakes or French toast with sausages).  The adults eat even better with fresh brewed coffee, fresh baked biscuits and entree's such as Italian Braised Short Ribs over Polenta, Roast Beef with Mashed Potatoes, Baby Back Ribs with Cornbread or Grilled Strip Steaks with Baked Sweet Potatoes.  For $15, that is a coffee and danish at Starbucks or Dunkin Donuts and a burger and fries at McDonalds.  I'd say even $20 for a weekend is a bargain.


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