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#21 MikeS



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Posted 20 October 2016 - 06:51 AM

CalicoPenn and Oldscout448,


Yeah, oftentimes I suspect it's the kitchen crew who actually determines when the ceremonies are held! Typically, they have an idea of when dinner will be ready and it's almost up to the adult ceremonies advisor to then determine when the ceremonies will be held. It's totally ridiculous.  


With the change, the kitchen crew could do dinner whenever they wanted to since the ceremonies would not happen until later in the evening.


Totally agree - some of Meteu's lines sound ludicrous at 5:00 pm in bright daylight and even worse at our past Fall Lodge Conference (they decided to offer an Ordeal Weekend as well) this past weekend when the ceremony was at about 2:30! Just kills it completely!

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#22 Eagle94-A1


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Posted 20 October 2016 - 08:01 AM

In the lodge I grew up in, ceremonies were strictly at night time. There was a light snack offered for dinner, enough for energy. Then eryone but the cook crew was required to attend the Ordeal Ceremony. Once it was over, new members were dismissed for dinner (fest), then Ordeal Members, then the Brotherhood candidates assembled at a location to prepare for their ceremony and everyone else stayed in the ceremony ring. Once the Brotherhood Ceremony was over, new Brotherhood members were dismissed, then everyone else.


Current lodge does it differently. lodge leadership got the idea from a NOAC a few years back. They have tweaked the schedule, but essentially the ceremony is at Dusk.

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#23 SSScout


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Posted 20 October 2016 - 04:00 PM

OS448:  Yep, doesn't seem to be any PM function.  Try this: 

Go to NCAC website, White Oak District, and find the BSRTcommish....

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#24 MikeS



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Posted 21 October 2016 - 05:32 AM

Night time seems to be the general consensus with which I totally agree; the Ceremonies as written (particularly Ordeal) are really not written for a "daylight" performance.  

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#25 sst3rd


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Posted 21 October 2016 - 02:14 PM

Up until two years ago, our sequence on Ordeal Weekends (now called service weekends to avoid possible thoughts of abuse) for ceremonies were:

Brotherhood in the afternoon (daylight)

Dinner for brothers, then dinner for Ordeal candidates

Ordeal Ceremonies after dinner in the dark for as long as needed (possible multiple ceremonies)


Two years ago, old lodge advisor forced out, new advisor in. He wants immediate action to get more members in. Pushed more elections even with troops that said "NO", changed our service weekend schedule by cutting service time in half so everybody can enjoy dinner together as all ceremonies done in the afternoon (sun brightly shining), and evening activities can be for fun and fellowship.


Now, our lodge numbers took a hit by having more troops opt-out of the OA, because older adult OA leaders/troop leaders seeing reduced value of the OA.


That was predictable.

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#26 Oldscout448



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Posted 21 October 2016 - 04:17 PM

Why is it so hard for some people to realize that the worth of an award is directly proportional to the amount of effort that went into earning it.

I wouldn't take $100 for my Eagle badge but I could go online and buy the same one for 10 bucks at least it would look like the same one.

The scouts aren't stupid, they can see what's going on they know what's real they know what is fake they spend their whole lives as students listening to teachers lie to them or tell them the truth.

If we as scouters water the order or the eagle or anything else down they will know it within a week and they will treat it with the contempt it deserves. It's sad but really not surprising that your lodge took a hit in membership.

Edited by Oldscout448, 21 October 2016 - 05:15 PM.

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