'Nope, no adult, an immediate election, i.e. vote of confidence in the SPL. I don't do troop elections. My SPL was always selected by the PL's as to who will support them and they determine how long that SPL stays in that position. Having the troop elect Mr. Popularity instead of a servant leadership PL creates more hassle than if the PL's just pick their own. It was surprising that my PL's picked one of their APL's to be SPL. This APL was doing a fantastic job supporting the PL, the other PL's figured he'd be a good choice to support them too. :)"
That's just it, he's "popular" because he is a servant leader. When things go wrong on camp outs, when the old NSP and TG had challenges, when things need to get done, he's your man. Great Scout, knows his stuff, but doesn't want to get involved with planning and organizing weekly meetings. I do not know why that is, but I do have a suspicion. I have asked him, and he's said "I'm lazy." He may say it, but his actions when needed prove otherwise.
Maybe they should be listening to their PL's instead. SPL should be supporting the PL's not dictating to the troop. Yes, the SPL "runs the troop" by making sure all the PL's are successful in their patrol method operations.
Agree, but the PLs are taking their lead from him. Plus at the moment, there is ZERO (emphasis) patrol spirit. The PLs are just following long.
Ever consider telling the other adults about boy led, patrol method policies of the BSA?
And this is why the unit's boy led operation is not boy led, it's adult messed with at the minimum.
Trust me, I've talked, tried to persuade, and even argued about this. I'd say there are 3 factions within the leaders: Boy-Led Faction (me and 2 others, although 1 Scout and his dad/leader may be looking for a new troop as they have missed the last month's worth of meetings), Adult-Led (Gunship from the other discussion and 2 others who are new to Boy Scouts and still in Cub Mode IMHO), and the "Compromise" Faction of the SM and an ASM who are trying to mediate the two groups.
The problem is not your boys, the problem is your adults making up stupid rules and messing with boy led, patrol method scouting.
UNDERSTATEMENT IF I EVER HEARD ONE! (emphasis, ok maybe a little shouting in frustration with you )
Regarding rules, I admit I like the rules in place in my troop as I think they made sense. Anyone could be a PL, regardless of rank, experience, age etc. However SPL and ASPL did have some requirements: 1) First Class or higher rank and 2) Had to have been a PL. First Class or higher made sense because they had the basics mastered so they could help out as needed. Having been a PL also made sense because how can you be expected to help a PL if you haven't had experience as a PL? And the ASPL had to have the same requirements as SPL because if the SPL stepped down, or didn't perform his duties, ASPL was automatically took over as SPL. I don't know who came up with them, the Scouts or SM, but we kept them as they made sense to us.