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#1 Sentinel947

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Posted 23 July 2016 - 10:46 PM

https://www.yahoo.co...-160620858.html

 

I didn't see too many statistics in that article to support the claim. 

 

Scouting is doing well in my council though. 

 

 


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#2 NJCubScouter

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Posted 24 July 2016 - 09:44 AM

I am sure all the Scouters in this forum hope that the numbers will bear out this rosy picture.

 

Right?


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#3 Sentinel947

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Posted 24 July 2016 - 09:46 AM

I am sure all the Scouters in this forum hope that the numbers will bear out this rosy picture.
 
Right?


I hope so. But think most hope they are real gains or a slowing of the decline, not math tricks they have been pulling.
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#4 T2Eagle

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Posted 24 July 2016 - 10:34 AM

I think there are so many things that affect the numbers that other than a spike from the initial change it will always be hard to determine causation for whatever the trend is, and it will be a few years before we know what the trend actually is.

 

I think the gist of this story, that the transition is seen as having gone reasonably well is what's really important.  Hopefully people can now focus on whether scouting is or is not a positive experience for their kids, and run the program accordingly.


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#5 NJCubScouter

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Posted 24 July 2016 - 10:53 AM

I think there are so many things that affect the numbers that other than a spike from the initial change it will always be hard to determine causation for whatever the trend is, and it will be a few years before we know what the trend actually is.

 

I think the gist of this story, that the transition is seen as having gone reasonably well is what's really important.  Hopefully people can now focus on whether scouting is or is not a positive experience for their kids, and run the program accordingly.

 

Exactly.


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#6 qwazse

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Posted 24 July 2016 - 11:52 AM

This is entirely recycled info, which we've already discussed elsewhere.

A halving of rate of decline implies stabilization of membership ...
like a year of slightly cooler temps than last implies cessation of global warming,

Zach Whals is right that we have a lot of work to do ... For example, we need to convince activists to whole-heartedly support the the rights of CO's to vett leaders along the lines of restrictive sexual ethics. Rhetoric like his and Dale's (whose very predicament was directly a result of the absence of such a notion) is the stated reason why I'm dealing with a cagey CO. Maybe the five cub scouts who could have been registered this spring don't amount to much. But if in every community across this country there are five potential recruits whose membership is being delayed (let's hope merely delayed) to every one's that is being smoothed over, we have problems.

I don't what that true ratio is. I just know that the BSA is still in decline. The permissive have yet to prove their worth numerically.
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#7 MrBob

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Posted 24 July 2016 - 12:03 PM

What happened to the flood of corporate donations BSA was supposed to receive after loosening its moral stance?


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#8 NJCubScouter

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Posted 24 July 2016 - 12:26 PM

qwasze, aren't there other organizations that could be CO for the unit in question?
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#9 qwazse

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Posted 24 July 2016 - 01:18 PM

qwasze, aren't there other organizations that could be CO for the unit in question?

dozen's hopefully. But, all are parents' second choice. So, instead of five Cubs now who bring five or ten more in the fall, and maybe that many more by end of year, we have once enthusiastic parents whose favorite elders (I cannot possibly understate the trustworthiness of this particular lot) are giving them a "not yet."

This is not an excessively deliberative body. If there's an idea and a half dozen folks who want to go for it, green lights are everywhere.

The fact that this item was pushed back on the docket for several consecutive months speaks volumes to the liability threat from activist's statements.
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#10 NJCubScouter

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Posted 24 July 2016 - 01:38 PM

What happened to the flood of corporate donations BSA was supposed to receive after loosening its moral stance?

 

I don't know about donations, but I would say the BSA didn't "loosen" anything.  


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#11 Stosh

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Posted 24 July 2016 - 01:38 PM

Scouting "THRIVES?"  Lot of wishful thinking there.


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#12 NJCubScouter

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Posted 24 July 2016 - 01:39 PM

The fact that this item was pushed back on the docket for several consecutive months speaks volumes to the liability threat from activist's statements.

 

I don't understand that attitude.  If you don't do something because someone "might sue", you would never do anything.  There's always someone who might sue.


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#13 Stosh

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Posted 24 July 2016 - 01:40 PM

Can't say it loosened any of its standards, just changed them to something else.


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#14 NJCubScouter

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Posted 24 July 2016 - 01:40 PM

Scouting "THRIVES?"  Lot of wishful thinking there.

 

But you WANT Scouting to thrive, right?


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#15 Stosh

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Posted 24 July 2016 - 01:41 PM

I don't understand that attitude.  If you don't do something because someone "might sue", you would never do anything.  There's always someone who might sue.

 

Not necessarily.  Those with an intolerant political agenda will sue.  Those who are tolerant will just consider the source and just walk away.


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Posted 24 July 2016 - 04:18 PM

I don't understand that attitude.  If you don't do something because someone "might sue", you would never do anything.  There's always someone who might sue.

Or, you only do that which you would put up a fight for.
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#17 NJCubScouter

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Posted 24 July 2016 - 04:20 PM

Not necessarily.  Those with an intolerant political agenda will sue.  Those who are tolerant will just consider the source and just walk away.

 

Well, on this particular issue, as far as I know nobody has filed a lawsuit yet, after a year.  So maybe qwasze's prospective CO can rest a little easier and accept the charter.  Unless the talk of "activists" is really just an excuse for whatever the real reason is that they do not want to charter a unit.


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#18 NJCubScouter

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Posted 24 July 2016 - 04:22 PM

Or, you only do that which you would put up a fight for.

 

That assumes that there would be a fight.  I have seen no evidence that an organization that charters a unit under the new policy, and uses the "religious local option", would be in for any sort of fight.  Zack Walls or whoever he is talking to the media does not count as a "fight" in my book.


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#19 Merlyn_LeRoy

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Posted 24 July 2016 - 04:56 PM

Not necessarily.  Those with an intolerant political agenda will sue.  Those who are tolerant will just consider the source and just walk away.

 

 

Only if the BSA violates the law.  Simple, isn't it?  The BSA is still a private, discriminatory organization; just act like one.


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Posted 24 July 2016 - 06:31 PM

Only if the BSA violates the law. Simple, isn't it? The BSA is still a private, discriminatory organization; just act like one.

Thanks for making my point, Merl.
It's not the legal action itself. But, the potential rhetoric promised to all who step outside "the line."
That's what certain CO's have limited stomach for.
Sticks and stones, no problem.
Names, they hurt.

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