MrBob 96 Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 Are corporate groups which volunteer to help with scout program activities required to have YP, background checks, health forms, and join BSA just like the Mom and Dad volunteers? Since when are "mom and dad volunteers" required to have YP, background checks, and join BSA in order to "help" ? That's never been required, so long as 2-deep/no 1-on-1 is observed. Are you telling me that when we had the local fire department come spend the entire day at Day Camp two years ago, we were supposed to run FBI background checks on all the firefighters first? Hogwash. Link to post Share on other sites
MrBob 96 Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 Now, let's turn the discussion to something really important: pie. Apple or pecan? What goes better with your first cup of coffee? oooh.... still-warm pecan, plz. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
RememberSchiff 3663 Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 (edited) Since when are "mom and dad volunteers" required to have YP, background checks, and join BSA in order to "help" ? That's never been required, so long as 2-deep/no 1-on-1 is observed. Are you telling me that when we had the local fire department come spend the entire day at Day Camp two years ago, we were supposed to run FBI background checks on all the firefighters first? Hogwash. At our local Cub camp, Mom and Dad volunteers are required to have YP (and to get that online you have to register online with BSA), CORI (background check for our state), and BSA health forms. Your camp may be different. Sure a parent without those could visit our camp but not work with other scouts. The lack of camp ID badge would make that clear. My point, whatever those requirements are to allow volunteers direct contact with kids, they should be the same for ALL volunteers having direct contact. If not, what is the point? Edited July 9, 2016 by RememberSchiff Link to post Share on other sites
desertrat77 1144 Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 oooh.... still-warm pecan, plz. +1 Link to post Share on other sites
NJCubScouter 1389 Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 Well I will restate my concern. Are corporate groups which volunteer to help with scout program activities required to have YP, background checks, health forms, and join BSA just like the Mom and Dad volunteers? Council said there was attire issue and a training issue. I don't see a problem with the former and I am concerned about the latter. Those are legitimate questions and concerns, but I don't think you are going to get a meaningful or accurate answer here, if indeed a single answer exists. My guess, and it is just a guess, is that it is council-to-council and probably not uniform even within the councils. I am also going to go out on a limb here and guess that whatever training the young ladies from Hooters may have had, they probably did not fill out BSA Adult Leader applications or go through a background check. Link to post Share on other sites
MrBob 96 Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 At our local Cub camp, Mom and Dad volunteers are required to have YP (and to get that online you have to register online with BSA), CORI (background check for our state), and BSA health forms. Your camp may be different. Sure a parent without those could visit our camp but not work with other scouts. The lack of camp ID badge would make that clear. My point, whatever those requirements are to allow volunteers direct contact with kids, they should be the same for ALL volunteers having direct contact. If not, what is the point? 430-056.pdf - National Camp Accreditation Program, 2014 http://www.scouting.org/filestore/outdoor%20program/pdf/430-056.pdf SQ-401 - Staff Qualification and Training Standards Standard: A. All camp staff are registered members of the Boy Scouts of America. All other camp personnel either are registered members of the Boy Scouts of America or meet alternative criteria pursuant to Standard PD-109. Interpretation: • Camp staff includes all personnel, paid or volunteer, retained by the council or camp management, who interact with camp participants. Camp staff includes employees, CITs, and continuing volunteers (e.g., camp commissioners, volunteers asked by the camp management to assist program on an ongoing basis). • Camp personnel includes all other personnel, retained by the council or camp management or by contractors working at the camp, who do not typically interact with camp participants as part of their assigned duties. Examples might include kitchen staff, commissary or warehouse staff, or ranger staff without program responsibilities. • Camp staff and camp personnel do not include (1) third parties who come on-site to offer a program to camp participants, are accompanied by camp staff while present, and do not remain on-site overnight; and (2) parents and volunteers in day camps and family camps who assist in program while staff are present and provide supervision. In any camp, an unsupervised volunteer must meet the requirements for camp staff. Your council may apply stricter requirements, and your State's laws obviously come into play. However, National doesn't consider one-time 3rd parties to be "camp staff". 1 Link to post Share on other sites
RememberSchiff 3663 Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 430-056.pdf - National Camp Accreditation Program, 2014 http://www.scouting.org/filestore/outdoor%20program/pdf/430-056.pdf SQ-401 - Staff Qualification and Training Standards Standard: A. All camp staff are registered members of the Boy Scouts of America. All other camp personnel either are registered members of the Boy Scouts of America or meet alternative criteria pursuant to Standard PD-109. Interpretation: • Camp staff includes all personnel, paid or volunteer, retained by the council or camp management, who interact with camp participants. Camp staff includes employees, CITs, and continuing volunteers (e.g., camp commissioners, volunteers asked by the camp management to assist program on an ongoing basis). • Camp personnel includes all other personnel, retained by the council or camp management or by contractors working at the camp, who do not typically interact with camp participants as part of their assigned duties. Examples might include kitchen staff, commissary or warehouse staff, or ranger staff without program responsibilities. • Camp staff and camp personnel do not include (1) third parties who come on-site to offer a program to camp participants, are accompanied by camp staff while present, and do not remain on-site overnight; and (2) parents and volunteers in day camps and family camps who assist in program while staff are present and provide supervision. In any camp, an unsupervised volunteer must meet the requirements for camp staff. Your council may apply stricter requirements, and your State's laws obviously come into play. However, National doesn't consider one-time 3rd parties to be "camp staff". Good research. Looking at PD-109 on page 43 of the 430-056.Pdf. public or private outside providers (third parties) must have: - with Council, a "written agreement" outlining responsibilities. - insurance - Camp Staff supervision to insure their safety and YP compliance. - demonstrate compliance with YP (YP training short-course?) Perhaps "written agreement" mentions background checks and Health forms. If not, then I think third parties have the better deal over parent volunteers. Just show up, instruct, go home no paperwork required. Link to post Share on other sites
MrBob 96 Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 (edited) Good research. Looking at PD-109 on page 43 of the 430-056.Pdf. public or private outside providers (third parties) must have: - with Council, a "written agreement" outlining responsibilities. - insurance - Camp Staff supervision to insure their safety and YP compliance. - demonstrate compliance with YP (YP training short-course?) Perhaps "written agreement" mentions background checks and Health forms. If not, then I think third parties have the better deal over parent volunteers. Just show up, instruct, go home no paperwork required. PD-109 applies to "service providers", not volunteer "helping hands". F.ex, the 3 college-age guys you rented the rock climbing wall from, who bring it on-site and manage moving the boys through it. Edited July 9, 2016 by MrBob Link to post Share on other sites
Stosh 3452 Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 Can I get my piece of double chocolate mint fudge pie served up by a pretty lady in a tank top and shorts? Link to post Share on other sites
desertrat77 1144 Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 (edited) Can I get my piece of double chocolate mint fudge pie served up by a pretty lady in a tank top and shorts? Is double chocolate mint fudge a real pie? Dang that sounds good. What rock have I been under? Edited July 10, 2016 by desertrat77 Link to post Share on other sites
Stosh 3452 Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 Is double chocolate mint fudge a real pie? Dang that sounds good. What rock have I been under? And you didn't notice the pretty girl in a tank top and shorts? It's gotta be a BIG rock! Link to post Share on other sites
desertrat77 1144 Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 And you didn't notice the pretty girl in a tank top and shorts? It's gotta be a BIG rock! Link to post Share on other sites
NJCubScouter 1389 Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 Based on the last few posts, I am locking this thread. Stosh, when we say that forum members should act "Scoutlike", we don't literally mean that adult men should act like 12-year-old boys. This thread was going nowhere constructive anyway, now it's just gotten stupid. If any of my fellow moderators feel this action is incorrect, they are free to reopen the thread. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
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