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Best Answer qwazse , 03 July 2016 - 11:22 AM

I see a plank and gibbet camp gadgets in your future! ;)

I think if his is a camp theme related theme, it could at least be activity wear, if not for flags. Give the camp director a call before you go all in. One time our VOA had such a theme, and bandanas came with the price of admission.

Be prepared with some good history to use in SM minutes or at campfires. Go to the full post


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#21 ianwilkins

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Posted 04 July 2016 - 03:22 AM

If I knew it was pirate bandanas all round, I'd probably try and get a pirate captain's tricorn hat or something, maybe for your SPL son that's running it, or maybe just for me. :)

 

We have fabric tubes over here trade name of Buff, non trade name possibly multifunctional headwear, I would expect you can get them with skull and crossbones, ah yes...

 

http://www.buffwear....-crossbone-buff

 

Bit pricey though.

 

Actually, not that unusual to see the odd scarf worn heretically as a bandana over here. And I know you can get skull and crossbone neckers.

 

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#22 Hedgehog

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Posted 04 July 2016 - 03:57 AM

If I knew it was pirate bandanas all round, I'd probably try and get a pirate captain's tricorn hat or something, maybe for your SPL son that's running it, or maybe just for me. :)

 

We have fabric tubes over here trade name of Buff, non trade name possibly multifunctional headwear, I would expect you can get them with skull and crossbones, ah yes...

 

http://www.buffwear....-crossbone-buff

 

Bit pricey though.

 

Actually, not that unusual to see the odd scarf worn heretically as a bandana over here. And I know you can get skull and crossbone neckers.

 

Ian

 

 

SPL son made decision that the SPL and ASPLs would wear the same bandanas -- the patrols are around 8 guys and the bandanas come in packs of 12, so there was no need to spend more money on something different for them.   Also, his idea of servant leadership led him to decide that being SPL or ASPL shouldn't entitle them to something better.  For me however, he has strongly recommended:

 

https://www.amazon.c...=A1K41AF3BILUFC


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#23 desertrat77

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Posted 04 July 2016 - 08:17 AM

Much ado about nothing here.  If the theme is pirates,and the boys want to do this, let them.  The boys should be commended on their unity.  It might be respectful to remove the bandanas during flag ceremony---with the SPL giving the troop the command "Uncover!"  That'll disarm the "Uniform Police", for whom I've never had any regard for anyway.  And no, there are no headgear "rules".  If someone finds such, please let me know.

 

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#24 vumbi

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Posted 04 July 2016 - 11:18 AM

Yah, that's creative, eh?

 

Are yeh really lookin' for a "rule" on this, @Hedgehog?  Good heavens, why?

 

Scoutin' is a kids game, and this is a classic youth leader choice.  I bet da use of pirate headscarfs in your troop will be more "uniform" than da use of the uniform.  ;)   It will bring a sense of identity and teamwork that's exactly what we want to encourage, particularly at camp.  It will be fun.  It will make your troop stand out for its spirit.  Your kids will talk about it for years.

 

I'd let it be.  It will be good fun for awhile, and good scouting.  I reckon I'd actually join in and figure out what to bring to help the lads lash up some piratical camp gadgets.

 

Or, if for some reason yeh really don't think it's a good idea or fits da image the Scoutmaster/Committee/CO wants, then just say "no".   You don't need a "rule" to act like an adult.  Yeh just do it.  The boys will respect yeh a lot more if you stand on your own two feet and don't try to hide behind some remote BSA regulation.

 

In that case though, given da camp theme, I reckon yeh need to put on your "fun" hat and be ready with an alternative.  Maybe old school USN caps from da era of the Barbary Pirate Wars.   Your troop could be da anti-piracy navy at the Pirate Camp, with a mission to win every contest/battle against all da other "pirate" troops!

 

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Agree with Beavah, why on earth would you even worry about something like this...things must be pretty good if this can cause some anxiety.

JoeBob, those neckerchiefs are worthless as bandanas. That's one reason we make our own neckers, large enough to actually do something useful (like first aid, etc.). We've never been 'tut, tut'ed' by anyone for it, at least not to my face.


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#25 ianwilkins

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Posted 05 July 2016 - 01:57 AM

For me however, he has strongly recommended:

 

https://www.amazon.c...=A1K41AF3BILUFC

 

I think I have something similar after pirate fancy dress...at an explorer scout camp. :)


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#26 meyerc13

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Posted 05 July 2016 - 08:03 AM

Here's what I predict would happen if you did this:  After the first day's flag ceremony, one or more adult leaders from other units will complain to the Camp Director.  To avoid controversy, the Camp Director will take your SM aside and ask him to ask the boys not to wear them to flags again, since it offended some people.

 

I say this because I was at Philmont a few weeks ago and helped staff the second annual BSA National Roundtable (the final project for the Effective Roundtables class).  One of my classmates felt it would be best if we used a little known variation on the flag cermony - moving the flags from the stage down into the audience, in which case the US flag stays on the Right hand side of the audience (rather than to the right of the podium, because by being on the floor the flag is part of the audience).  This was done to make it easier for our Cub Scout age color guard to figure out where to go with the flag (personally I disagreed with this feeling, but I was alone in that).  We had at lest three people who felt so strongly about this being wrong that they complained not only verbally, but also on their comment cards (quite strongly worded in fact).  If, like me, you've never heard of switching the flag like this, see here:  http://www.homeofher...1bfb_disp3.html

 

My point is... don't mess with flag ceremonies.  Some percentage of Scouters will get up in arms over it.


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#27 John-in-KC

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Posted 05 July 2016 - 08:19 AM

Off to summer camp this thread goes.


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#28 JasonG172

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Posted 05 July 2016 - 08:20 AM

We did Neckers one year.  Totally Fine


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Posted 05 July 2016 - 10:56 AM

Ironically there is no evidence of bandannas be used widely as headgear by pirates or buccaneers. This was added later to the mythology as garment itself did not reach Europe (Portugal) until the 16th century and were not popular with men in England (as a neck covering) until the 18th century. Maybe the troop should wear the leather hats these sources reference?

 

https://sites.google...ories/bandanna 


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#30 desertrat77

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Posted 05 July 2016 - 11:19 AM

Here's what I predict would happen if you did this:  After the first day's flag ceremony, one or more adult leaders from other units will complain to the Camp Director.  To avoid controversy, the Camp Director will take your SM aside and ask him to ask the boys not to wear them to flags again, since it offended some people.

 

I say this because I was at Philmont a few weeks ago and helped staff the second annual BSA National Roundtable (the final project for the Effective Roundtables class).  One of my classmates felt it would be best if we used a little known variation on the flag cermony - moving the flags from the stage down into the audience, in which case the US flag stays on the Right hand side of the audience (rather than to the right of the podium, because by being on the floor the flag is part of the audience).  This was done to make it easier for our Cub Scout age color guard to figure out where to go with the flag (personally I disagreed with this feeling, but I was alone in that).  We had at lest three people who felt so strongly about this being wrong that they complained not only verbally, but also on their comment cards (quite strongly worded in fact).  If, like me, you've never heard of switching the flag like this, see here:  http://www.homeofher...1bfb_disp3.html

 

My point is... don't mess with flag ceremonies.  Some percentage of Scouters will get up in arms over it.

 

I'm sorry you and your classmates had to endure the carping by those nitpicking scouters.   I've got stronger words to describe their actions, but this is a family forum.   One word is "chicken" and the other begins with "s."  (salad?)

 

They must subscribe to that school of thought "I've never done it that way = it's wrong."

 

This kind of stuff goes on everywhere in the BSA.   Then we wonder why scouters up and quit one day.


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Posted 05 July 2016 - 02:04 PM

Ironically there is no evidence of bandannas be used widely as headgear by pirates or buccaneers. This was added later to the mythology as garment itself did not reach Europe (Portugal) until the 16th century and were not popular with men in England (as a neck covering) until the 18th century. Maybe the troop should wear the leather hats these sources reference?

 

https://sites.google...ories/bandanna 

 

Why would any self-respecting pirate want to wear a flag on his head?


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#32 Tampa Turtle

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Posted 07 July 2016 - 09:27 AM

I'd like to add a contrary voice - just to give you (and your SPL) something to consider, and how appropriate that you ask the day before Independence Day, arguably the United State's most sacred day and definitely the most patriotic day.

 

One of the goals of the BSA is to instill patriotic citizenship in the Scouts.  What's that phrase I've heard bandied about during some of our membership controversies?  We want our Scouts to be the best kind of citizens they can be???

 

Do you have any veterans in your unit?  Any of the parents veterans?  How about in the sponsoring organization?  Do you think you might encounter some Scouters at camp that are veterans?  Do you think they will think the wearing of pirate bandanas at flag ceremonies is fun and shows respect to the US Flag or is it possible that it's going to be seen as disrespectful to the flag and to the veterans in attendance?

 

The Pirate Bandanas sounds fun - wear them as head gear as part of the activity uniform, but for the flag ceremony, consider wearing them as neckerchiefs, not as headgear.

 

Some pirates were among the Americans under Andrew Jackson at the Battle of New Orleans. Just saying.


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#33 Tampa Turtle

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Posted 07 July 2016 - 09:29 AM

I agree with Beavah...it would be the talk of the camp...the OTHER Troops would be talking about it. This is the kind of Team spirit one should encourage...


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#34 Tampa Turtle

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Posted 07 July 2016 - 09:32 AM

I'm sorry you and your classmates had to endure the carping by those nitpicking scouters.   I've got stronger words to describe their actions, but this is a family forum.   One word is "chicken" and the other begins with "s."  (salad?)

 

They must subscribe to that school of thought "I've never done it that way = it's wrong."

 

This kind of stuff goes on everywhere in the BSA.   Then we wonder why scouters up and quit one day.

 

I agree. Our boys have been doing the 'Color Guard Swicheroo' with few collisions and little loss of decorum since Wolf Cubs! 


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#35 meyerc13

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Posted 07 July 2016 - 10:33 AM

with few collisions

 

This made me laugh out loud.  :D

 

Like I said, personally I was sure the kids could handle taking the flag to the left or right without issue, they're not dumb, just young.  I also had never heard of the idea of moving the flag from the podium down into the audience thus making it okay to move it from the left to the right, but when I researched it I found out the other member of my class was correct - it isn't necessarily wrong (and their is some logic behind it being part of the audience - I like to think of it as troops on parade marching up to the podium... the flag would be on the right in a parade) but now I know why they say they don't recommend doing this.  Most people will think it is wrong, so to avoid confusion (and complaints) it is best to stick with what is more familiar.

 

To circle back to this topic, while we might be able to argue that pirate bandanas were part of the uniform for this camp, I think the common interpretation is that the hats need to be official BSA hats to be considered part of the uniform when it comes to flag ceremonies.  To do less could go beyond offending the uniform police to disrespecting our flag and all of those who have given so much to defend it.


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Posted 07 July 2016 - 01:37 PM

Buccaneer = expensive corn.

 

Privateer =  Nobody bother my corn.

 

Lavalier = smokin' hot hearing appendage.


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Posted 07 July 2016 - 02:40 PM

Okay @SSScout  what's the Pirate's favorite letter?


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#38 qwazse

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Posted 08 July 2016 - 09:57 AM

Okay @SSScout  what's the Pirate's favorite letter?

The one his garrrghlfriend wrote him! :p


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Posted 08 July 2016 - 11:22 AM

Okay @SSScout  what's the Pirate's favorite letter?

It's the SEA that he loves!


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Posted 08 July 2016 - 07:56 PM

Stosh, me hearty,  Tis an easy one. 

 

Aye, of the Alphabet, if he be literate, his favorite letter  be 'ARRRRRRRRRRRRR".  

 

What be his favorite type of foot covering? 


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