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#1 mashmaster

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Posted 06 June 2016 - 09:32 PM

I was asked tonight to staff Woodbadge next year as a troop guide.  For those that have done this, how much time is involved in doing it?  I want to do it but I need to see how much wife aggravation I will get.


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#2 jjlash

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Posted 07 June 2016 - 05:14 AM

Im ASM Troop Guides for our upcoming course.  I told my guides at our first meeting that they have the toughest job in the course because of all the preparation and the multiple hats they wear.  But that they have the best job in the course because they get to truly connect with those 6 people and see, up close, the impact WB has.

 

Yes, it is a lot of time to be well prepared but it is so worth it.  My WB experience was pretty good but my first time staffing is what solidified my belief in team building and my desire to become a better leader.

 

That said - I have heard a lot of people who had awful experiences at WB and/or on staff.  My suggestion to you then is to find out who you will be working with and for (your Course Director, your ASM Troop Guides and the other TGs).  Base your decision on how well you like those folks and believe they will do things right (i.e. not a bunch of BS and drama).


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#3 jc2008

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Posted 07 June 2016 - 06:35 PM

 Yes, you will get wife aggro.

 

But it can help you see the course in a whole new way and learn more the second time around when you aren't rushed and feeling like your head is going to explode.

 

It would be good to do, but its the 2 weekends of the course + being there a day before participants + a few staff developments, one of which is most likely an overnight.


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#4 mashmaster

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Posted 08 June 2016 - 09:03 AM

Talked with my wife last night and the conversation was definitely along the lines of "You think adult scouts are more important than your family?  You should do what you feel is right...."

 

Looks like this is not yet the right time for me accept this opportunity.  :-(  I really wish i could do it but I like being married.


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#5 Stosh

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Posted 08 June 2016 - 09:49 AM

Yep, that pretty much sums it up.  If Mamma ain't happy, nobody's happy!

 

The really unfortunate thing about it?  She's right!


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Posted 08 June 2016 - 07:45 PM

Talked with my wife last night and the conversation was definitely along the lines of "You think adult scouts are more important than your family?  You should do what you feel is right...."
 
Looks like this is not yet the right time for me accept this opportunity.  :-(  I really wish i could do it but I like being married.


Most of my WB staff sons had aged out. You can always wait till then.
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Posted 08 June 2016 - 10:10 PM

Most of my WB staff sons had aged out. You can always wait till then.

Well. I told them to pass this time.  In another year both of my girls will be in college so that might make life easier.


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#8 Tampa Turtle

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Posted 09 June 2016 - 12:16 PM

"You should do what you feel is right" now THAT is a classic trap. And THAT is why I am staying home this summer while the boys are away.

 

After 32 years you'd think I'd understand her better.

 

Scouts can have an unlimited demand on your time if you let it. I have observed the biggest factor in our retaining our Scoutmasters is the tolerance of their spouses and if they have a teenage daughter that they are not spending enough time with.

 

You can comfort yourself on modeling good behavior for your scouts.


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#9 Sentinel947

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Posted 09 June 2016 - 06:32 PM

 

 

Scouts can have an unlimited demand on your time if you let it. I have observed the biggest factor in our retaining our Scoutmasters is the tolerance of their spouses and if they have a teenage daughter that they are not spending enough time with.

 

You can comfort yourself on modeling good behavior for your scouts.

 

Our SM really tries to make as many events as he can, and that has caused some friction with his wife on a couple of occasions. He's grown to be a little better about delegating to his ASM's and taking events off. That's the key function of our job, to sub for the SM when he is absent. 


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#10 Tampa Turtle

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Posted 10 June 2016 - 06:17 AM

I always back the SM even when I may disagree on some issues in private--It is a tough job.


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Posted 10 June 2016 - 08:23 AM

Im ASM Troop Guides for our upcoming course.  I told my guides at our first meeting that they have the toughest job in the course because of all the preparation and the multiple hats they wear.  But that they have the best job in the course because they get to truly connect with those 6 people and see, up close, the impact WB has.

 

Yes, it is a lot of time to be well prepared but it is so worth it.  My WB experience was pretty good but my first time staffing is what solidified my belief in team building and my desire to become a better leader.

 

That said - I have heard a lot of people who had awful experiences at WB and/or on staff.  My suggestion to you then is to find out who you will be working with and for (your Course Director, your ASM Troop Guides and the other TGs).  Base your decision on how well you like those folks and believe they will do things right (i.e. not a bunch of BS and drama).

I agree with the whole post, but I really like what jjlash said about the staff. Just like in a troop, the staff of a WB will take on the personality of the director. Every WB staff I participated on had a different personality and a different perspective on what the participants should get from the course. I became picky about the directors I worked under.

 

The Troop Guides do work very hard, but most of the staff are there to support them, so it's generally a very rewarding experience. 

 

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Posted 11 June 2016 - 01:13 PM

Would be a nice dilemma to face, but I have never been one of the elite few to be considered to staff a Woodbadge course.


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Posted 11 June 2016 - 02:05 PM

Would be a nice dilemma to face, but I have never been one of the elite few to be considered to staff a Woodbadge course.

I wouldn't say elite, I am just a dedicated volunteer like everyone else here.  I happen to do a lot at the district level so that is why they asked I am sure.


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#14 Stosh

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Posted 11 June 2016 - 02:05 PM

Don't feel bad, I've never been invited to staff WB.... Or anything else in the council..... Not even attending train the trainers.  :)  I bet it's been 10 years since I was asked to do a session for U of Scouting.  Sometimes it's a good thing to be a boy led, patrol method heretic.  The last session I taught was a one time session on fire building, wood selection, woods tools,  etc.  I asked for two hours.  They scheduled me for 10:00 in the morning.  After two hour no one wanted to go to lunch, but kept the question/answer session going for another 45 minutes.  They wolfed down lunch in 15 minutes to make the 1:00 pm session.  It isn't everyday that they learn how to make a fire with wet wood and no matches.... :) 


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Posted 22 June 2016 - 02:03 PM

*cue the music*

 

"I wanted to be a staffer, a good old staffer too!

I've even had some training so I’d know what to do.

But politics so old and feeble, and I can staff no more.

So I won’t wear my beads when I can.

Back to Troop,  happy land"

 

 

Your mileage my vary but for me the answer will continue to be No


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Posted 22 June 2016 - 09:18 PM

I recently finished being a first time staffer as a troop guide. I loved it. It was very worth the pre-course staff development time. My family's initial reaction was not extremely supportive but after we talked and they saw how much it would mean to me they agreed to work with me on the scheduling. My kids are young enough that husband and I both had to take vacation time in order for me to be on staff.
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Posted 23 June 2016 - 08:24 AM

so really the only training that remains for me (that I need or that I'm interested in doing) are the big weekend evolutions....

I want to take IOLS

and wouldn't mind taking Woodbadge too some day as a student (even though I'd be much more excited about the old program as I understand it...)

oh and wilderness 1st aid too.

 

but I'm up against the exact same issue.

Weekends are just so valuable

And all the effort and time I already do put into scouting is but just for 1/3 of my kids in my wife's eyes.  The other 2/3 being girls...

If I could count me as one of the kids, I'd be up to 1/2..... but that's still only half, and the less important one to boot


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Posted 23 June 2016 - 09:52 AM

Yep,  time investment is significant.  Family has to "take up the slack".  Time is taken from work.  From family stuff.

 

Family is important.   But so is one's self satisfaction and respect.  Woodbadge?   Why not Lions?  Or Kiwanis?   Or Church Choir?  Or Local Activity Of Your Choice?   You can stay in the bosom of the family or convince the rest of the family (!) that you will come back a happier camper. 

 

Does wife have "outside interests"?    Good wife has painting classes, and they take a significant amount of time.  Do I complain?  No, I do the laundry.  Her "time away"  helps her decompress from work and gives her much satisfaction, especially when I can say (honestly!) that she has developed her latent talent considerably.  She painted me a Barn Owl!  And then there is the time in our various Meeting (church to you) committees.   Tonight I will be driving a bus for our camping program.  I could say "no", I have to stay home and clean the kitchen, but that dirt and grease will be there when I get back, and hey, son may clean it up. It is his turn, come to think of it....

 When I go off for IOLS or RoundTable,  good wife understands.  My talent and experience needs to be shared with others than my son and wife.  I earned  WB and then staffed WB (QM corps).  It was fun, rewarding and I met many good folks. Some of whom I still work with in Scouting.   I know they took away some of me, and I gained some of them. Cross fertilization?  

Now, one must realize that if you DON"T participate, you will have NO effect on those folks.   If you DO participate,  you will leave a wake (to be nautical in my metaphor) and  more will benefit from your life experience.  Therefore, if they go ahead with WB without you,  "it ain't your fault".   If you DO participate,  you will have at least some  say in making sure the WBers go away smiling, not  thinking "what a waste!".   

 

"All feedback is a gift".   

 

See you on the trail!


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#19 qwazse

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Posted 23 June 2016 - 10:01 AM

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And all the effort and time I already do put into scouting is but just for 1/3 of my kids in my wife's eyes.  The other 2/3 being girls...

If I could count me as one of the kids, I'd be up to 1/2..... but that's still only half, and the less important one to boot

Tangent #1: So, what you are saying, @blw2 is that if BSA were fully co-ed, they might have a better trained scouter?

 

Tangent #2: What are you doing (organization participation wise) to be a better father-of-girls? For me, scouting helped a lot. That's partly because the fellowship involved time with a lot of dads and moms with daughters. as well as GS leaders and Venturing moms. Most all of the formal training was as relevant for my daughter (and, later, daughter-in-law) as it was for the sons.

 

Edited to add: And a lot of the boys who might have thought of dating daughter knew how well I sharpened my knives and axes.


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#20 blw2

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Posted 23 June 2016 - 11:59 AM

I don't disagree SSSCout, but at the same time there is a balance to be found.

and that tipping point is different for different folks.  In my case, as I suspect also for @mashmaster, the tipping point we're getting at is as defined by our wives & is much closer to the family than WE might define it....

Tangent #1: So, what you are saying, @blw2 is that if BSA were fully co-ed, they might have a better trained scouter?

 

Tangent #2: What are you doing (organization participation wise) to be a better father-of-girls? For me, scouting helped a lot. That's partly because the fellowship involved time with a lot of dads and moms with daughters. as well as GS leaders and Venturing moms. Most all of the formal training was as relevant for my daughter (and, later, daughter-in-law) as it was for the sons.

 

Edited to add: And a lot of the boys who might have thought of dating daughter knew how well I sharpened my knives and axes.

Tangent #1:  Better?  well that opens up a subjective tangent #3 :).... but perhaps, yes.  My DW would likely re-position that tipping point on her scale if she thought I was doing something with ALL of the kids.

 

Tangent #2:  Don't disagree..... but it's not my opinion at question here.... it's my DW's.  You know how it is, no doubt.  Several times when she has felt distanced (which isn't always), she has said things that make it clear that she forgets all the things I do with and for the girls.  In those times, her focus is on BOY scouts, and why I'm there and not HERE.  It's her emotional perspective.  She's not concerned at those times, with what "wake" I might leave in others' lives.  At these times, she's looking inward to herself, and outward only to our kids. 

 

Same I suppose for @mashmaster too.


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