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#1 Krampus

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Posted 21 March 2016 - 12:36 PM

It appears BSA has come up with an answer as how to engage the Millennial Generation of parents in Scouting. However, rather than make it in to a module that you can take online, or build effective modules that can be taught locally, you'll have to pony up over $500 to get the answer at the PTC.

 

With the issue of parent recruitment and training so key to the recruitment and retention of members in general, one would think this would be something so important that BSA would seek to make it so readily available (and swiftly implemented back at the unit) that you wouldn't have to fork over $500 bills to get the answer. Man, if I'm going to Philmont and paying THAT much money, I'm on the trail....not in a conference room.

 

More info here: http://blog.scouting...ts-in-scouting/


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#2 DuctTape

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Posted 21 March 2016 - 01:21 PM

Agreed. Enough with the indoor classroom scouting. If this is how adults are trained at the council or district level, it is no wonder why the adults do the same at the troop level.
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#3 desertrat77

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Posted 21 March 2016 - 01:24 PM

I agree Krampus.   If I'm going to Philmont, the trail/trek is priority 1.   Sitting in a conference room at Philmont seems cruel and unusual.

 

So...500 bucks to learn about Millennials?    Seems kind of steep.   It occurs to me that the scouters of this forum already work with Millennials.   And raise Millennial offspring.  And are Millennials themselves.  Perhaps we can pass along a few tips and save folks some money?

 

Here are a few of my own:

1.  Millennials tend to believe that if it can't be accessed on a smart phone, it doesn't exist.

2.  Email is old fashioned and to be shunned.

3.  Answering a phone call and talking to another human is old fashioned as well, and something to be avoided.

 

So I'm kidding around...kind of...but seriously, is this training even necessary?   Is the communication gap between the old timers and the new parents that large where a pricey training session is needed?

 

PS   I concur--make it free, put it on line, if it's truly that important.

PSS   The key is a) old timers learning to adapt to new ideas and practices (technology) and b) Millennials seeing the value of legacy ideas/systems (ie returning phone calls) and incorporating them into their business habits.


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Posted 21 March 2016 - 02:04 PM

BACK WHEN I WAS A KID.......

 

Okay, yes, I just picked up the phone and talked to the operator and told her who I wanted to talk to and BINGO they were on the line.

 

It was right about then my mother taught me a neat trick about phones.  Remember, this was before SmartPhones, before cell phones, before answering machines, Ya know, back when the only phone in the house hung on the kitchen wall.  Well people tried to contact you and you weren't home, or outside playing, or just wasn't anyone there to 'take the call".  So. it rang until it quit and,  now here's the secret people.... IF IT WAS IMPORTANT THEY WOULD CALL BACK LATER.  Then they came out with answering machines, and people would leave beepy messages.... BUT IF IT WAS IMPORTANT THEY WOULD CALL BACK LATER. 

 

So, here's how it works with Mr. Stosh. You call him and talk with him.  If he doesn't answer, and it's important you call back later.  If you leave a message and it's important CALL back later.  If you leave a text and if it's important you CALL back later.  You can leave an email or a electronic IM, but if it's important you dial the phone and CALL BACK LATER.  The secret behind this unique phenomena is actually talking to the person on the phone, Don't talk to their answering machine, not their cell phone, not their computer, but to actually talk to the person.... especially if it's important.  :)

 

If this is too complicated, or too much effort, let's both agree then that whatever you had to say couldn't have been all that important.  :)  Welcome to the 1950's when people actually talked to each other,   Sometimes they even did it face-to-face.  It was actually quite enjoyable.


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Posted 21 March 2016 - 02:17 PM

This is not the first time I've heard of differences between Philmont training and national training. My guess is there's something going on between Philmont and those that do training at national. As in, Philmont likes making training (and quite possibly the money that comes with it) and national could care less so they both go their own ways. I talked to someone a long time ago about better understanding how to get the patrol method going and how hard it was to find any useful training and they said Philmont has this great course. I said if it's so great, why is it limited to Philmont and why does it cost so much? No response.


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Posted 21 March 2016 - 02:32 PM

I'm not sure exactly what answer everyone is looking for, but Philmont training is typically developed for the volunteers, and they used to encourage the whole family to go as a vacation. I had a friend who grew up going to Philmont every summer with her whole family while dad trained and instructed. Imagine a camp where the family camped in tents and played boy scout in the outdoors for a week or two. It's really a great family vacation. Plenty to do in the outdoors and I think she said they also have planned programs for the kids and spouses as well. I was asked to teach a course once, but I couldn't make it work in my schedule.

 

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Posted 21 March 2016 - 03:21 PM

@Eagledad, I am sure that's what PTC is doing. But you are going to have a hard time selling this course to the average Scouter. The cost is high, the time commitment is high and the return would likely be low. Not only are you losing $530 bucks (not including transportation) but your vacation time as well.

 

There's no syllabus up yet which usually means the 6 days of PowerPoint are not done yet. Their audience is stated to be "Aimed at all adult leaders involved in Cub Scouting as well as commissioners." Good luck. It is hard enough to get CS leader to take the free, online training modules let alone spend their money and hard-earned vacation time to get trained.

 

If it's anything like my district's training on how to recruit in the Asian community, it will be unproductive. The basic gist? "Recruit more Asians!"  :rolleyes: Now why didn't we think of that?


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Posted 21 March 2016 - 03:55 PM

Back in the olde fashioned days, I don't recall training for the WWII generation on "How to Deal with Boomers."   If I'm wrong, please correct me.    We boomers listened to the old timers, did it their way, and as time passed and experience grew, put our own spin on things.   Without disrespecting the old timers nor abandoning the essentials of their message/process/system/values.

 

The more I think about this, the more I'm convinced this training is a solution in search of a problem.   And as the father of Millennial children, I fondly assert that the training is further proof of Millennial "Special Snowflake Status." :) :) :)


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Posted 21 March 2016 - 07:47 PM

Well, at least with a thousand year title, there will be time enough for the material to trickle down to the rank and file.
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#10 Krampus

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Posted 22 March 2016 - 06:43 AM

Back in the olde fashioned days, I don't recall training for the WWII generation on "How to Deal with Boomers."   If I'm wrong, please correct me.    We boomers listened to the old timers, did it their way, and as time passed and experience grew, put our own spin on things.   Without disrespecting the old timers nor abandoning the essentials of their message/process/system/values.

 

The more I think about this, the more I'm convinced this training is a solution in search of a problem.   And as the father of Millennial children, I fondly assert that the training is further proof of Millennial "Special Snowflake Status." :) :) :)

Nothing more to add...

 

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Posted 22 March 2016 - 08:00 AM

“The children now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise.”

Socrates

 

This is all one needs to know about kids today.  One doesn't have to travel half way across the country or half way around the world to be taught what others have known all along.


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Posted 22 March 2016 - 08:50 AM

 

“The children now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise.”

Socrates

 

This is all one needs to know about kids today.  One doesn't have to travel half way across the country or half way around the world to be taught what others have known all along.

 

 

ROFL....yeah, the "accommodation" of kids over the last 20 years is astounding.

 

My kid's teacher sent an email saying my daughter was several weeks late with an assignment and, if she didn't get it in soon, it would be a zero. I asked, "When was it due?" She said, "January 13th." I said, "Mark it a zero and she will learn to get it in on time next time."

 

The teacher's reply? "But I want to give her every chance possible!"

 

My reply? "She hasn't missed a day of school since the New Year. She's had 2.5 months. That's PLENTY of chances. Mark it a zero please."

 

Ya just have to shake your head some times.


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Posted 22 March 2016 - 11:52 AM

This is not about the kids. (Who knows what clever name some sociologist will pen in an attempt to distinguish them from their 'rents?)

 

This is about parents born into a particular culture (use my term, "post-modern nomadic", free of charge :sleep:)  the tools of which they have refined and mastered to the point that physical presence and constancy is a secondary experience? E.g., why help kids make friends of their neighbors when you can just as easily arrange out-of-the-box friendships online or a mere car ride away?

 

What will it take for you to convince them that their children, setting aside those tools for a weekend, will grow healthier in our care?


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#14 Krampus

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Posted 22 March 2016 - 12:02 PM

This is not about the kids. (Who knows what clever name some sociologist will pen in an attempt to distinguish them from their 'rents?)

 

This is about parents born into a particular culture (use my term, "post-modern nomadic", free of charge :sleep:)  the tools of which they have refined and mastered to the point that physical presence and constancy is a secondary experience? E.g., why help kids make friends of their neighbors when you can just as easily arrange out-of-the-box friendships online or a mere car ride away?

 

What will it take for you to convince them that their children, setting aside those tools for a weekend, will grow healthier in our care?

 

Correct it is about parents. But @desertrat77 point is well taken. Our parents did not adjust their styles to communicate with us. As we grew older WE joined society. Twenty plus years of PC-Gone-Wild has left us with a generation that wants to be catered to, and now their children want the same.

 

Thankfully I have hope for this next generation. I overheard a Scout this weekend reply to the question as to why his dad didn't come camping: "My dad's lazy. He works all week and then watches sports all weekend. He wouldn't last a minute out here."

 

Go figure. ;)


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Posted 22 March 2016 - 03:48 PM

 

“The children now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise.”

Socrates

 

This is all one needs to know about kids today. 

 

 

Today?  I don't think Socrates was talking about today.  And I know you didn't mean he was, but it sort of highlights a point I make whenever we get into these generational discussions:  EVERY generation (probably since Socrates) has taken a dim view of the antics of the next generation.  "These kids today" - it's not a new saying.  My parents' "generation" said it about mine - and Stosh, you are in the same "generation" as me, if you put any stock in these generational labels, which I really don't.  So that's another point, I guess:  Millennial (which to me is still Gen Y), Gen X, and so on are just labels created by media and marketing gurus.  Nobody can even agree on what the dividing lines are.   And what does it all mean anyway?  After all, by most definitions, my children are an X and 2 Y's - but to me, they are all the same generation, that being the generation of my family after me.


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Posted 22 March 2016 - 03:56 PM

I overheard a Scout this weekend reply to the question as to why his dad didn't come camping: "My dad's lazy. He works all week and then watches sports all weekend. He wouldn't last a minute out here."


Yeah, that lazy dad. He works all week, and all he wants to do on the weekend (after shelling out some of his hard-earned pay for Junior's Scouting activities) is relax. The nerve of that guy!

But it's ok. I have concluded that the vast majority of teenagers, and on up through college students, don't really understand what "working" really means - even if they have had part-time or summer jobs. I guess you can't really blame them, because they haven't "been there." I probably didn't get it. I know my son didn't get it. But he sure does now, now that he's been working full time for a year and a half.
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Posted 22 March 2016 - 04:18 PM

Yeah, that lazy dad. He works all week, and all he wants to do on the weekend (after shelling out some of his hard-earned pay for Junior's Scouting activities) is relax. The nerve of that guy!
 

 

The kid was spot on in this case. Dad ONLY works during the week. The rest of the time after work and on weekends is all about dad. Sits in the car during his kid's soccer games. Goes to Starbucks and surfs wifi during daughter's dance class. Golf's rather than spending time with other son. The list goes on.
 

Sorry, but the reason you have kids is to spend time nurturing them. Glad to see the kid is NOT is father's son.


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Posted 22 March 2016 - 08:11 PM

The kid was spot on in this case. Dad ONLY works during the week. The rest of the time after work and on weekends is all about dad. Sits in the car during his kid's soccer games. Goes to Starbucks and surfs wifi during daughter's dance class. Golf's rather than spending time with other son. The list goes on.


Well, that sheds a different light on the situation.
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Posted 22 March 2016 - 09:42 PM

Today?  I don't think Socrates was talking about today.  And I know you didn't mean he was, but it sort of highlights a point I make whenever we get into these generational discussions:  EVERY generation (probably since Socrates) has taken a dim view of the antics of the next generation.  "These kids today" - it's not a new saying.  My parents' "generation" said it about mine - and Stosh, you are in the same "generation" as me, if you put any stock in these generational labels, which I really don't.  So that's another point, I guess:  Millennial (which to me is still Gen Y), Gen X, and so on are just labels created by media and marketing gurus.  Nobody can even agree on what the dividing lines are.   And what does it all mean anyway?  After all, by most definitions, my children are an X and 2 Y's - but to me, they are all the same generation, that being the generation of my family after me.

 

LOL!  NJCubScouter... The point being, no matter what "label" one puts on a generation, they're all the same, the have been that way for what, now, 3,000 years?  I don't need an expensive class at Philmont to tell me what every generation knows about kids.  Sacrates was talking about the kids in his generation and every generation since.  :)


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Posted 23 March 2016 - 06:50 AM

Well, that sheds a different light on the situation.

 

Sadly, this is out experience locally with this age group. Mom and dad are self-absorbed. They spend more time on themselves than their kids. When they do go to their kids' events they are on their phones or treating them like some sorority/fraternity mixer where they socialize rather than cheer on their team. Of course, they are the first to berate the referee or coach.

 

@Stosh has a point, why should we cater to this generation? The folks I see joining from this generation as leaders are useless. They sit around and want to be waited on at camp. They are not the jumping in sort.

 

Gross generalization, sure. But per capita I find better volunteers in the older generations than I do with this one.


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