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#21 Hedgehog

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Posted 19 February 2016 - 04:41 PM

I was assuming he meant these

http://www.511tactic...ens-cotton.html

but I was wondering the same thing to make sure...

they have several styles that look great.

 

 

Just remember... Cotton is Rotten. 


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#22 TAHAWK

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Posted 19 February 2016 - 06:25 PM

One advantage of replacing a uniform with a brand is the choices available - dozens of combinations.


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Posted 21 February 2016 - 10:11 AM

I used to be a fanatic about wearing only official uniform panst/shorts.  But when I was getting ready for Jamboree I laid out every pair of BS shorts I owned: 2 different types of switchbacks, a couple of the the bathing suit types, and an older pair of cotton.  Between style changes, manufacturer changes, and sun and wear, no two of them looked alike.   When I decided I needed a new pair of pants (the one thing they all had in common was that they were all getting smaller) I tried on pants from Cabela's, the scout shop, and Amazon, both Amazon and Cabela's provided exact combinations of waist and length.  I went with the ones that felt most comfortable to me, and without looking at the tag I doubt anyone could tell that they were not a version from national supply.   


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#24 TAHAWK

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Posted 21 February 2016 - 07:48 PM

I used to be a fanatic about wearing only official uniform panst/shorts.  But when I was getting ready for Jamboree I laid out every pair of BS shorts I owned: 2 different types of switchbacks, a couple of the the bathing suit types, and an older pair of cotton.  Between style changes, manufacturer changes, and sun and wear, no two of them looked alike.   When I decided I needed a new pair of pants (the one thing they all had in common was that they were all getting smaller) I tried on pants from Cabela's, the scout shop, and Amazon, both Amazon and Cabela's provided exact combinations of waist and length.  I went with the ones that felt most comfortable to me, and without looking at the tag I doubt anyone could tell that they were not a version from national supply.   

 

 no two of them looked alike.  Exactly.  It's a brand of clothing, not a uniform.


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#25 Ranman328

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Posted 22 February 2016 - 01:19 PM

Sorry for the late response all. Have been working the BLue and Gold Banquet. Yes the model is 74251. I have bothe the OD which matches the BSA Cargo type pant and the Tundra which is almost a perfect match to the switchback. 511 does have several types to choose from if you don't like cotton, they have some rip stop as well. I have a pair and they are a little lighter weight but work great. Do a google search for them because some places have them cheaper or if you know police or government workers, the 511 company will give discounts.
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Posted 22 February 2016 - 02:09 PM

So I am new to being a leader in scouting and am the Cubmaster for my son's pack. I always want to set the right example and try to wear the full uniform every time, unless the "class B" is called for. I have those really bad zipper shorts/pants. My issue is that they are WAY to baggy for me. I am a 'former' Marine and am used to a uniform that fits better. I feel really uncomfortable wear these pants and I do not want to wear the other pants because I am warm enough as it is. Additionally, I have size issues (I am always between sizes). I want to wear jeans, now thinking about getting a pair of these, are we allowed to wear something other than the official scout pants?


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Posted 22 February 2016 - 02:17 PM

So I am new to being a leader in scouting and am the Cubmaster for my son's pack. I always want to set the right example and try to wear the full uniform every time, unless the "class B" is called for. I have those really bad zipper shorts/pants. My issue is that they are WAY to baggy for me. I am a 'former' Marine and am used to a uniform that fits better. I feel really uncomfortable wear these pants and I do not want to wear the other pants because I am warm enough as it is. Additionally, I have size issues (I am always between sizes). I want to wear jeans, now thinking about getting a pair of these, are we allowed to wear something other than the official scout pants?

Welcome, feel free to introduce yourself in the new member sub forum at the top of the forum if you haven't already. 

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#28 qwazse

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Posted 22 February 2016 - 02:39 PM

Welcome to the forums. And, I feel your pain. My suggested strategy ...

  • Visit a scout shop and ask to look at regulation-issue alternatives.
  • Go the non-official route as a last resort. Don't worry if someone notices.

Oh, and the most important part of your uniform? Your smile! :D


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#29 jpstodwftexas

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Posted 27 February 2016 - 04:03 AM

As an Adult I wore the 5:11 Tacts also..Much better than the Official Pants...and unless you point it out 99% of the Scouters around you will never Know....The pants are close enough in color. I had an Official Pair of Scout pants..lasted 2 Months.. I found the 5.11 more comfortable than the BSA Pants...

I hate any Switchback style Pants..

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Bit of an Irony...I was approached by several youth....Who in years never wore anything but Blue Jeans to scouts...asked were I got them and after they got a pair they started wearing them. Seems they felt they were no longer ashamed of the Scouting Uniforms.

Something else I have Noticed around here at least...the vast Majority of troops do not do Uniform inspections anymore...Scouts in the last troop with all the parents on Committee did not show up in Uniform for a Board of Review and did not have a Scout Handbook. Yet they never were turned away or turned down, And the Board of reviews were held each week. On a walk in basis. I remember when I was growing up, you had to schedule a BOR and had to be 100% Uniform and have your Handbook...I remember my first BOR in my troop. I had no Pants..I was asked why I was not in Uniform...I told them My Mom could not afford a complete Uniform. I was told to reschedule when I had a pair of pants...I was about to quit on the spot. My family did not have a lot of money after my dad died..The Reviewers asked me if I was a hard worker..I said yes..I got jobs offers to mow their Lawns...For 3 weeks I mowed Lawns...I got 4 pairs of pants and past my rescheduled my BOR a month later....Only worn at Meetings and Worn to and from Camp...Immediately after Flag ceremonies each day...they were taken off, replaced with Blue Jeans and Hung up in a "suit" bag to keep them clean

 

 

I Grew up In Texas...Never wore shorts as a youth....Blue Jeans every day...Went to Philmont twice..Wore Blue Jeans everyday on the Trails and cowboy boots...Only wore BSA Pants to and from during travel...Still Never wear shorts...Each person has their own style..

 

Cotton is Rotten??? Not around here....Someone has drank kool aide


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#30 qwazse

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Posted 27 February 2016 - 04:53 AM

Durn it! @jpstodwftexas, that was supposed to be a +1. Sorry for the thumb fail.

I've always felt that the U.S. traditional/national dress was denims and a flannel shirt. (Possibly including a tool belt.)
The old Arabs and Turks used to dread when their kids would start wearing them ... a sure sign of Westernization and the accompanying rot to come.
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#31 Hedgehog

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Posted 27 February 2016 - 06:12 AM

I Grew up In Texas...Never wore shorts as a youth....Blue Jeans every day...Went to Philmont twice..Wore Blue Jeans everyday on the Trails and cowboy boots...Only wore BSA Pants to and from during travel...Still Never wear shorts...Each person has their own style..

 

Cotton is Rotten??? Not around here....Someone has drank kool aide

 

 

I love jeans and given the opportunity, I'll wear jeans.  However, when backpacking and camping in the conditions in the Northeast, wearing cotton isn't a good idea.  

 

I've been on backpacking treks in the late fall where it was 45 degrees during the day.  That is enough to work up a sweat carrying 30 pounds on your back doing 10 miles.  If you are wearing cotton, the cotton will absorb the mositure.  When the sun goes down, the temperature drops below 30 degrees  If that moisture hasn't evaporated, you are at risk of hypothermia.  Most scouts (and a lot of scouters) believe hypothermia is a result of being cold, when it really is a result of being wet.  You are more likely to get hypothermia if you ar wet and the temperature is between 35 an 45 degrees than if you are dry and the temperature is between 15 and 25 degrees.

 

In the summer, cotton clothing traps moisture and heat.  If your sweat can't evaporate, it can't cool your body.  Plus, who wants to be walking around with the arm pits and back of your shirt drenched in sweat?  Heck, I've even gotten rid of my old cotton polo shirts in favor of the new breathable fabrics.  It actually is the humidity.

 

I've had scouts get the equivalent of diper rash from wearing cotton underwear during backpacking treks during the summer.  Wearing cotton socks and hiking or backpacking 10 mies will result in blisters.  Did a preselntation to some Webelos and parents last night.  When I said "no cotton" the parent asked about underwear.  My answer was "no cotton even for underwear."  

 

Non-cotton clothing absorbs less moisture keeping you cool and dry.  Also, for backpacking, non-cotton clothing is lighter and more compressible (compare a cotton sweatshirt and a polyester one and jeans with non-cotton pants).  In snow and rain, non-cotton clothing dries faster.  

 

We've banned jeans on cold weather outings and switched our Class B shirts to non-cotton breathable materials.  


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#32 RememberSchiff

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Posted 27 February 2016 - 06:26 AM

And let us sing praises of Smartwool-like socks.


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#33 archimago

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Posted 27 February 2016 - 01:26 PM

I picked up a pair of these, and they're great. The OD is pretty close to the OD of uniform pants (at least the old ones--I don't own a pair of the Switchback). They're 60/40 poly/cotton with a ripstop weave, and they're about half the price of 5.11s. You definitely need to go a size up on them, but for $25, it's pretty hard to go wrong with them.

 

http://tacticalgear....cal-pants-olive


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#34 Thxcuz

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Posted 20 November 2016 - 07:45 PM

I'm a den leader and I help out with the troop since I have a tiger and a first year scout. I'm offical 98% of the time. Sometimes I wear od dress pants I got from penny's if it's a formal occasion and my sloppy, ill fitting offical scout pants won't do.
Our troop is usually really good about being in full uniform. It's the leaders that seem to slack off. Our SM is usually ok and I'll give our Chaplin some leway since he is a Dominican priest but the other leaders often wear jeans or Kakhi cargos. I don't want to be a uniform policeman and these guys have put more time in the program than I ever will, but I wish they would take the uniform as seriously as the boys do.

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Posted 23 November 2016 - 07:10 AM

 I'll give our Chaplin some leway since he is a Dominican priest

 

That's really cool. 


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#36 The Latin Scot

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Posted 08 December 2016 - 02:58 PM

I hope I am not too late for this discussion, but at Target right now there are olive cargo pants that are EXACTLY the same shade as the boy scout pants, for half the price! I got two pairs, and they are a perfect fit. They look great with just about everything in my wardrobe too. If you want an alternative, I highly recommend them. They are a cotton blend however, but as I live in Southern California where it never dips below 50 degrees, that's never a problem. ;-)

 

http://www.target.co...co/-/A-50864895


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