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#21 SSScout

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Posted 26 January 2016 - 02:19 PM

Things I have seen done:  * Local TV Weather person hosts Scouts working on Weather/ Meteorology MB.  

*  Lots of local papers/TV stations will do a report on your Cub Scout Day Camp.

*  Item in local press about Philmont/Jamboree/Northern Tier/Troop expedition on the AT  .   Depends on the paucity of other local news, and your ability and perseverance to get the interest across.   If it isn't interesting to you, it probably won't be interesting to them. .

*  service project to local homeless shelter/soup kitchen.

*  Replanting of trees, shrubs in damaged park area.  


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#22 Krampus

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Posted 26 January 2016 - 02:56 PM

 

At the risk of getting this thrown into I&P, Girl Scouts are more socially acceptable (PC) still than Boy Scouts.  

 

Depends on your state I guess. Here in the bastion of conservatism we don't chide anyone for bringing such things in to work. ;) 


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Posted 26 January 2016 - 03:02 PM

On our streets the first customer question when asked to buy popcorn is "How much?" often followed by "No way!"  Sell the camp angle all you want, few people are interested in plopping down $10 for 4 ounces of bad caramel corn.

 

Whereas our local convenience store sells Christmas wreaths the same as the Boy Scouts for the same price, people do buy from the scouts instead.  On the other hand 4 oz of caramel corn for $10 (? I'll take your word on that :) ) the same convenience store sells pretty good stuff for 5 oz for $1.50.  The reason I know this is I just finished up a bag and wrapper is in my pocket.  :)


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#24 Krampus

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Posted 26 January 2016 - 03:15 PM

On our streets the first customer question when asked to buy popcorn is "How much?" often followed by "No way!"  Sell the camp angle all you want, few people are interested in plopping down $10 for 4 ounces of bad caramel corn.

Been a while since I bought popcorn (our unit doesn't sell it). $25 for 22ozs of caramel corn?!?!?!?

I can get FIVE BOXES of GS cookies for that!!!!

No wonder our unit does not sell popcorn.
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#25 JasonG172

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Posted 27 January 2016 - 01:07 PM

I don't buy popcorn.  I make a monetary donation directly to the unit.   The unit can spend the donation any way they wish, including summer camp. 

 

Additional benefits:   The unit gets 100 percent of my donation...no skimming to support bloated pro salaries and such.   Also, my non-purchase will not contribute to increased overall sales figures, thus lending a truer picture of just how lame popcorn really is.   And I'm relieved of the added chore of throwing the popcorn in the trash.

 

 

I understand that, and trust me we get those monetary donations as well.


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Posted 27 January 2016 - 01:11 PM

And, we abandoned the National Project of "Scouting for Food" in favor of "Good Turn for America"

 

That comes under the top 10 stupid loss of brand decisions ever made...

 

Not at All.  Chickasaw Council still does scouting for food and we are very successful.


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Posted 27 January 2016 - 01:16 PM

Depends on your state I guess. Here in the bastion of conservatism we don't chide anyone for bringing such things in to work. ;)

 

I sell popcorn at work while my son sells it in the Neighborhoods.  My form stays on my sales counter and I talk frequently about it.  I guess being southern and in I guess the "bible belt" helps because they see what a great program it is and gladly donate. 


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#28 Krampus

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Posted 27 January 2016 - 01:34 PM

Not at All.  Chickasaw Council still does scouting for food and we are very successful.

Great area!! Kia Kima is on our five year must-see list.
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Posted 27 January 2016 - 04:35 PM

Great area!! Kia Kima is on our five year must-see list.

You should see the new Dinning hall ;)  if you like air conditioning.  Thanks Kia Kima is near and dear to my heart


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Posted 27 January 2016 - 04:37 PM

We have been doing SFF ever since it began.  I was not aware it was not a National endeavor.  I can tell you that the drop off locations are truly appreciative every year.  Have fliers we will be handing out in neighborhoods very soon.  


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Posted 28 January 2016 - 09:38 AM

You should see the new Dinning hall ;)  if you like air conditioning.  Thanks Kia Kima is near and dear to my heart

We will have to talk via PM. We have done Orr and Pioneer to the west. The boys saw Kia Kima on Facebook and thought it might be fun. Trying to see if we can work a camp out there during a long weekend some time in the future to check it out. Looks nice!!

 

 

We have been doing SFF ever since it began.  I was not aware it was not a National endeavor.  I can tell you that the drop off locations are truly appreciative every year.  Have fliers we will be handing out in neighborhoods very soon.  

 

We have been doing SFF since 2004 and even earlier where I live, which is right in the heart of national. It is a HUGE deal here. Local food banks rely on SFF for over 50% of their annual donations!!! With local stats showing donations to food banks down over the last 7 years, SFF is hugely important to our area.

 

Our council mucked it up last year by going to paper bags and a one day "knock and collect" rather than the old method of week 1 distributing plastic bags, then week 2 knocking and collecting. This was done because of someone at council thinking that just because the city went to a "no plastic bag" policy that meant WE had to as well. Silly decision. Donations were down 60% from the year before.

 

My unit had re-useable plastic bags (think shopping bags) made from recycled plastic done up ($1000 donation from a parent) which we distributed on week 1, then picked up week 2. We did not participate on the council dates because they conflicted with our camp out. For some reason council ALWAYS does SFF on the best camping weekend. Nevertheless, our unit DOUBLED our best annual haul for SFF with our method. Donations went to the CO's food bank (second largest in our area). We are doing the same thing this year!


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Posted 28 January 2016 - 12:29 PM

Nearly twenty years ago,

 

Every Council, Nationwide, on two weekends did Scouting for Food.

Weekend 1:  Distribute the Bags.

Weekend 2:  Pick them up.

 

It got publicity.  Network news, local news, all over the place coverage.

 

Councils still do it, and are successful at it, yes.  It's a local project.  You may/may not get publicity in your market.

 

BSA is not getting nationwide publicity.  That's my point.


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#33 Krampus

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Posted 28 January 2016 - 12:37 PM

Nearly twenty years ago,
 
Every Council, Nationwide, on two weekends did Scouting for Food.
Weekend 1:  Distribute the Bags.
Weekend 2:  Pick them up.
 
It got publicity.  Network news, local news, all over the place coverage.
 
Councils still do it, and are successful at it, yes.  It's a local project.  You may/may not get publicity in your market.
 
BSA is not getting nationwide publicity.  That's my point.


Interesting. Seems BSA's ambivalence continues. They still talk like it is a national program in some areas of BSA, yet the website seems to infer that it is a council (local) effort.


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#34 JasonG172

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Posted 28 January 2016 - 03:20 PM

We will have to talk via PM. We have done Orr and Pioneer to the west. The boys saw Kia Kima on Facebook and thought it might be fun. Trying to see if we can work a camp out there during a long weekend some time in the future to check it out. Looks nice!!

 

Anytime,

 

there is also Old Kia Kima right next to it.  I'll get you whatever information you need.


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Posted 28 January 2016 - 04:32 PM

In regards to popcorn, after being a DE, I tired of it rather quickly. had a unit do popcorn sales, pay for it, then folded. I was unable to get in contact with anyone affiliated with the pack, and trust me I tried. All I wanted was the order sheets so I could get the popcorn delivered to those who bought it.  Sadly, I ended up eating the pocorn for a long time.


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Posted 25 February 2016 - 08:35 PM

We have been doing SFF since 2004 and even earlier where I live, which is right in the heart of national. It is a HUGE deal here. Local food banks rely on SFF for over 50% of their annual donations!!! With local stats showing donations to food banks down over the last 7 years, SFF is hugely important to our area.


My council still does it, even though it doesn't actually help the local food banks much. A couple of years ago, I did one of the SFF drop offs for my pack, and asked the food bank rep about it. He said that SFF actually cost the food bank money (i.e., the food bank would be better off if the council dropped SFF). They didn't say anything because they were afraid it would be a PR disaster if they said no. He also said that he believed that SFF generated indirect benefits for the food bank through free PR.

 

I have always been conflicted by SFF. I know it is actually counter productive for the food banks, but it can be a good experience for the scouts (and holding a simple fundraiser for the food bank is against BSA rules - no fundraising for other organizations).


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Posted 25 February 2016 - 09:26 PM

Rick:  Around NCAC, the SFF in MD  supplies at least HALF of the total supply for the local foodbank.  They tout it, BSA touts it, local TV time...  November it happens.  Our local Safeway parking lot has a semi trailer parked on the subject saturday and it gets FULL.   OA loads it, Troops bring in the bags....


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Posted 25 February 2016 - 10:24 PM

Rick:  Around NCAC, the SFF in MD  supplies at least HALF of the total supply for the local foodbank.  They tout it, BSA touts it, local TV time...  November it happens.  Our local Safeway parking lot has a semi trailer parked on the subject saturday and it gets FULL.   OA loads it, Troops bring in the bags....

I'm glad you guys make it work. It actually sounds like a great experience for your scouts!

 

However, my understanding is that for a lot of food banks it is counter productive (though few will publicly admit it - most just smile and eat the costs). The Slate article I linked to above lays out the whys. Here are a couple more:
 
Hays County Food Bank

Believe it or not, food drives actually cost food banks money. The North Texas Food Bank estimates that a food drive can cost as much as $100 after the prices of fuel, vehicle maintenance, materials like boxes, and staff time are factored in.

 
LA Times Article.

 

I'm sure you can find more via Google.


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Posted 26 February 2016 - 07:48 AM

I'm glad you guys make it work. It actually sounds like a great experience for your scouts!

 

However, my understanding is that for a lot of food banks it is counter productive (though few will publicly admit it - most just smile and eat the costs). The Slate article I linked to above lays out the whys. Here are a couple more:
 
Hays County Food Bank

 
LA Times Article.

 

I'm sure you can find more via Google.

 

I am familair (very familiar) with the NTX Food Bank. That comment is taken out of context. They were talking about their OWN food drives, not when donations come in. They frequently take in food from many sources. Many churches, mosques and temples (yes we have them in Texas, many of them) have their own drives and then donate to the NTX bank. Most of the food going in to the NTX bank comes from SFF. In fact, our council works with them to have units volunteer time to triage the incoming food so as to reduce staff time to managed the inflow. A good friend is on the board of the NTXX bank and knows first hand how much this program takes in. The last three years, had SFF not donated their take, the NTX bank would not have had enough food to meet their (ever-growing) goals.

 

SIDE NOTE: Last year the mayor of Dallas implemented a single-use bag ban. SFF was usually done with yellow, recycled bags. BSA in our areas switched to paper bags. Disaster! Donations were down 45% as a result. Our unit printed up our own bags (think reusable shopping bags from recycled material) and did SFF. Biggest haul we ever had!! 

 

Hays County is a different story. It is in SW Austin, so it is not as metropolitan as other areas.I could see where poorly organized rural drives would cost a food bank more than they take in.


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Posted 06 March 2016 - 11:09 PM

The Girl Scouts have been selling cookies all over the place here lately. I guess I never paid attention to their prices, but after our troop started to try to sell popcorn last year $4 a box sounds great! We started selling popcorn in the fall and did horribly. I think many others can attest to this, but when a customer is eager to buy popcorn and donate to the scouts, hearing the price actually makes them physically recoil. Most end up walking away, but some would rather their $20 bill go in the donation bucket. We actually made enough donations to pay off the popcorn, now half our inventory of popcorn is in the trunk of my car. We'll be eating some at the next troop meeting, then sell some more when it gets warmer.

 

The Girl Scouts are famous for their cookies, if the BSA publicized the popcorn as heavily, I am sure the Boy Scouts would become infamous.


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