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#21 Ankylus

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Posted 04 August 2016 - 12:28 PM

I am wondering what SHAC is doing with the camping program, actually. I am looking forward to the new Camp Strake, especially after they over-developed the old Camp Strake. But I am wondering...So, we have Camp Brosig, Camp Bovay, El Rancho Cima, and now Camp Strake. Now that the closed River Camp at Cima, where are they going to offload all that traffic? To Bovay? or to new Strake? I guess Brosig will take over Old Strake's role for training and such. Just curiuos.


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#22 Ankylus

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Posted 15 August 2016 - 03:36 PM

I am wondering what SHAC is doing with the camping program, actually. I am looking forward to the new Camp Strake, especially after they over-developed the old Camp Strake. But I am wondering...So, we have Camp Brosig, Camp Bovay, El Rancho Cima, and now Camp Strake. Now that the closed River Camp at Cima, where are they going to offload all that traffic? To Bovay? or to new Strake? I guess Brosig will take over Old Strake's role for training and such. Just curiuos.

 

I heard this weekend from one of our leaders who spoke to a council rep at Roundtable that SHAC is selling not only the old Strake but also El Rancho Cima. It seems that they underestimated the cost of the new Strake and needed more money. So they are selling Cima to help pay for the new Strake. That's some seriously bad financial planning if they underestimated development costs for new Strake that badly. Not surprised, though.


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#23 SpEdScouter

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Posted 27 August 2016 - 10:05 AM

I'd like to ask, these camps that are closing, are they near developed areas or other such areas where development and urban encroachment are partly to blame? Were developers tossing around offers of millions of dollars?

 

I know here around Kansas City several Girl Scout camps plus camps run by churches and other groups, have closed and I think its partly that they were smaller (maybe 40-160 acres) and were built not far from the cities and since then the cities have moved out to them and encompassed them so they quit being "in the country" and ended up selling and now their are houses on them. I read the Girl Scouts once had a camp on the east coast on some island which eventually the value of the land became worth so much they were pressured to sell.

 

The Boy Scout camps in our area like Bartle were built far from the cities so they have little fear of a developer wanting the property.


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#24 Chisos

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Posted 27 August 2016 - 11:16 AM

El Rancho Cima is in the hill county west of San Marcos, and that area is booming with development.  But, it was heavily damaged in the floods in May 2015, so the additional rebuilding cost may have been part of the decision to sell.  Sad to see it go, it was my favorite camp as a kid.


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#25 qwazse

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Posted 27 August 2016 - 07:12 PM

Being surrounded by urban development is no excuse. Camp Guyasuta is an outstanding camp surrounded by greater Pittsburgh neighborhoods and serves BSA and sometimes school groups.

 

Developers have to mitigate for wetlands loss. Camps and reservations can be part of a city's green solution.


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#26 Ankylus

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Posted 30 August 2016 - 02:33 PM

El Rancho Cima is in the hill county west of San Marcos, and that area is booming with development.  But, it was heavily damaged in the floods in May 2015, so the additional rebuilding cost may have been part of the decision to sell.  Sad to see it go, it was my favorite camp as a kid.

 

Me too. They had already decided that they weren't going to rebuild River Camp after the floods. I have also heard rumors that they were afraid they weren't going to be able to get permits for the rebuild, but I think that's a bunch of hocum used to rationalize the decision. i am going to miss that camp. I already am.


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#27 Ankylus

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Posted 30 August 2016 - 02:38 PM

Being surrounded by urban development is no excuse. Camp Guyasuta is an outstanding camp surrounded by greater Pittsburgh neighborhoods and serves BSA and sometimes school groups.

 

Developers have to mitigate for wetlands loss. Camps and reservations can be part of a city's green solution.

 

I don't think the development was a part of the decision for El Rancho Cima. I think that was purely a financial decision.

 

However, it was a factor with the old Strake. I don't think the urban surroundings were really a direct factor in the decision to close. There were three big factors. First, increasing development spawned increased regulation that made it more difficult to maintain and develop the camp. Second, as the area developed, property taxes rose quite a bit. So local governing authorities became more hostile about things like permits because they would rather have a large commercial development than a large camp because the commercial development would generate much higher tax revenues.

 

It's the way of the world.


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#28 Col. Flagg

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Posted 20 June 2017 - 02:16 PM

El Rancho Cima is in the hill county west of San Marcos, and that area is booming with development.  But, it was heavily damaged in the floods in May 2015, so the additional rebuilding cost may have been part of the decision to sell.  Sad to see it go, it was my favorite camp as a kid.

 

Update on El Rancho Cima. Their council is decommissioning with seemingly no plans to have in-council camps in 2018. Looks like they will partner with the council serving Austin to get their troops to summer camp. Our unit went to the Cockrell River Camp here in 1997.


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