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#1 KenD500

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Posted 17 January 2016 - 08:11 PM

Just saw the plans for a new camp near Houston.  The new Camp Strake is replacing the old Camp Strake that shut down this year.  I can't remember the last time I heard of a new camp being built.

 

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#2 jpstodwftexas

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Posted 17 January 2016 - 08:21 PM

and today I saw that a Council in PA had their Camp and their Council Headquarters Foreclosed on...  :unsure: ....Somewhere near 10 mil in debt  :(


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Posted 17 January 2016 - 09:28 PM

I think my local camp is down to 3 sessions for summer camp, can't get enough units to fill the sites.  They are now renting out to other organizations for summer camp, i.e. churches, to help pay the bills.


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#4 mashmaster

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Posted 17 January 2016 - 10:16 PM

It is so sad


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#5 John-in-KC

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Posted 18 January 2016 - 08:52 AM

If you put on a first rate program, and have quality facilities, people will come.

 

If you have a second rate program and facilities...


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#6 JasonG172

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Posted 18 January 2016 - 03:14 PM

We have people come from all over to Kia Kima.  We have 3 very full weeks always scheduled, I am very thankful.


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Posted 18 January 2016 - 03:35 PM

Our council camp has 8 units signed up for camp at this point. 


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Posted 18 January 2016 - 04:00 PM

So,  you don't let the camp stand idle just because of "Scout Pride".  Why not rent to Church groups?  If you have a nice retreat type place, do it!   Outdoor Education is the latest fad in public schools here abouts.   Council works with county schools to utilize the space.   I know a Girl Scout camp that does selective logging!  Lots of possibilities, just don't let 'em make a golf course out of them.


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Posted 18 January 2016 - 04:17 PM

So,  you don't let the camp stand idle just because of "Scout Pride".  Why not rent to Church groups?  If you have a nice retreat type place, do it!   Outdoor Education is the latest fad in public schools here abouts.   Council works with county schools to utilize the space.   I know a Girl Scout camp that does selective logging!  Lots of possibilities, just don't let 'em make a golf course out of them.

I council has resorted to this.  Last year one week of camp was a church group coming in and doing their thing.  It took many volunteers many hours afterwards to clean up and make repairs to get the camp back in order.  Plan accordingly and make sure the visiting group who has no ownership in the process pays enough in deposit to cover the cost of repairs.


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#10 Krampus

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Posted 19 January 2016 - 09:36 AM

If you put on a first rate program, and have quality facilities, people will come.

 

If you have a second rate program and facilities...

 

Very true. Despite it being un-godly hot in Texas during the summer, Sid Richardson does a GREAT water program and they are ALWAYS booked early. Constantine does a so-so program (with shoddy facilities) and they struggle.


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Posted 19 January 2016 - 09:45 AM

Our council camp has a brand new dining hall, refurbished old dining hall, new training center, newer pool, climbing tower, new archery/rifle/shotgun ranges and they are having trouble filling 3 weeks of campers.  Good staff and program is better than nice facilities. 


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Posted 19 January 2016 - 11:46 AM

My local council camp added 2 weeks to the season this year.   We have over 1000 kids reserved already, the last time I'm told that happened was 1975.


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Posted 20 January 2016 - 01:02 PM

Our council camp has a brand new dining hall, refurbished old dining hall, new training center, newer pool, climbing tower, new archery/rifle/shotgun ranges and they are having trouble filling 3 weeks of campers.  Good staff and program is better than nice facilities. 

 

Here Here!  You're exactly right!


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Posted 21 January 2016 - 10:14 AM

If you put on a first rate program, and have quality facilities, ...

Stosh,

 

There's a reason I ordered them program, then facilities.

 

First rate also does not mean "new".  It means functional, safe, conforming with code, conforming with best practices.

If the reefer and the freezer at the commissary/dining hall are not maintaining temperature, there's a risk of food poisoning, and thus a risk of campers being ill.  That's not first rate.

If the filter on the pool is not working to standard, and the pool has to close for contaminated water, that's not first rate.

 

If the National Camp Visit decertifies the COPE tower for safety issues, that's not first rate...

 

Get my drift?


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#15 John-in-KC

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Posted 21 January 2016 - 10:17 AM

Moderator's Note:

Moved to camping and high adventure, shadow topic remains in Open Discussion, Program.


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Posted 21 January 2016 - 10:28 AM

I hope that it works out for the council and scouts near Houston.
I hope that they learn from whatever mistakes were made by CVC with Bayport.

It is good to see a new camp opening!
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#17 Krampus

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Posted 21 January 2016 - 10:38 AM

Just saw the plans for a new camp near Houston.  The new Camp Strake is replacing the old Camp Strake that shut down this year.  I can't remember the last time I heard of a new camp being built.

 

Link to plans.

 

ROFLMAO at the "hills" in the background there. ;)

 

It is flat, hot and near a swap. ;)


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Posted 21 January 2016 - 10:49 AM

Stosh,

 

There's a reason I ordered them program, then facilities.

 

First rate also does not mean "new".  It means functional, safe, conforming with code, conforming with best practices.

If the reefer and the freezer at the commissary/dining hall are not maintaining temperature, there's a risk of food poisoning, and thus a risk of campers being ill.  That's not first rate.

If the filter on the pool is not working to standard, and the pool has to close for contaminated water, that's not first rate.

 

If the National Camp Visit decertifies the COPE tower for safety issues, that's not first rate...

 

Get my drift?

A well maintained facility and a brand new facility are both equally good in my book.  What I was trying to point out was one can have the greatest facilities (and excellently maintained facilities) and without quality program and staff it is a wasted expense and effort.

 

Heck the camp where my boys have been going asked for stoves the camp provided because they did in-site cooking.  The stoves were wood-burning Shepherd's Stoves from the 1940's-1950's era.  Worked just fine, all the parts were there and the boys had a blast. 

 

The facilities in general were not as eye-appealing as the new stuff at our council camp, but the staff and program was the real selling point for the boys.


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Posted 04 August 2016 - 12:23 PM

ROFLMAO at the "hills" in the background there. ;)

 

It is flat, hot and near a swap. ;)

 

 

Well, for those of us in Houston, those are hills! 


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Posted 04 August 2016 - 12:24 PM

Very true. Despite it being un-godly hot in Texas during the summer, Sid Richardson does a GREAT water program and they are ALWAYS booked early. Constantine does a so-so program (with shoddy facilities) and they struggle.

 

Our troop has camped for Summer Camp at both Sid Richardson and Constantine and we enjoy them both.


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