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#21 blw2

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Posted 12 January 2016 - 11:03 AM

I recently signed up for the SM specific classroom thing at our University of Scouting coming up soon, even though I have not been asked to take on any job with the troop (except MBC).

 

This is the first year my son will be eligible for Uof Scouting, and to encourage him to attend I wanted to attend again too.  But since I have been the last few years, there were few classes I found interesting, so I signed up for the SM Leader training that they are running currently.  It seems like it's the most applicable course for my situation right now....  I can't say i'm really excited about sitting in a classroom all day, but hopefully it will be at least entertaining.  Hopefully not the snore fest my baloo class was.


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#22 Stosh

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Posted 12 January 2016 - 11:09 AM

My DC an I as UC are the only two trained in our district as UC.  Class was scheduled for early February to get all our new UC's up to speed and trained.  .....    ...... The class was canceled, no one signed up for the training.......    Time to water down the training to fit into RT time for the new UC's.


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Posted 12 January 2016 - 12:33 PM

My DC an I as UC are the only two trained in our district as UC.  Class was scheduled for early February to get all our new UC's up to speed and trained.  .....    ...... The class was canceled, no one signed up for the training.......    Time to water down the training to fit into RT time for the new UC's.

Hmm, to me this says more about your District Commissioner than the new Unit Commissioners. A good DC will not only recruit abled bodied volunteers, they also guide them with be expectations, instructions, training and pep talks. I used to recruit our UCs and I wouldn't even bother with someone who refused training. 

 

In my opinion the DC has more power to make change than any other person from the DE on down. But getting the right person for that job is very challenging.

 

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Posted 17 January 2016 - 07:08 PM

Thank your son for me.  I appreciate him taking his Eagle charge seriously.

 

It's funny to me that you think he is Eagle.  He has three partial merit badges and his Eagle Project to do. 

He has 2.5 months to complete it all but we will see if that gets done.   My AS asked permission to be his pain in the butt until he gets it. 

I laughed and said you do not need my permission.   Wish he would have listen to me since I told him and all scout from the troop to not wait until the last minute.

I did and did not get to enjoy wearing my eagle rank on my scout uniform.     Oh course if he does not get Eagle that is fine because he has learned the important things in scouting.  Leadership, skills and self confidence and they are the highest rank in the BSA.  


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#25 blw2

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Posted 18 January 2016 - 09:30 AM

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I did and did not get to enjoy wearing my eagle rank on my scout uniform.     Oh course if he does not get Eagle that is fine because he has learned the important things in scouting.  Leadership, skills and self confidence and they are the highest rank in the BSA.  

off topic comment, but I'm disappointed that my son will not get to wear his AOL patch on his cub uniform.  I don't think he really cares, but I'm disappointed....

This is something I pushed for strongly when I was CM (presenting the award when earned, rather than waiting for the B&G/AOL Graduation/Bridge Crossover marathon of a day)

I thought the DL was on board with the idea too.

I even picked up the AOL patches for the den when i was at the scout shop in late November, in preparation to present in December (my son finished his AOL requirements with the roll of the calendar into december, since he only had to wait for the time requirement having done everything else...

but sadly, the DL chose not to present it at the last pack meeting or den meetings.

 

I really wish that I would have just held my son's patch and sewed it on.... just so he could show up at a few meetings with it on..... but truthfully, I don't think he cares so no biggie I guess


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Posted 18 January 2016 - 09:42 AM

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I really wish that I would have just held my son's patch and sewed it on.... just so he could show up at a few meetings with it on..... but truthfully, I don't think he cares so no biggie I guess


The tough thing about awards ... Figuring what matters most to the boys:
AoL on his cub uni vs. getting it at crossover with his den?
Eagle Court of Honor or just having his troop at Ganny's for graduation party?
Wearing that Eagle patch at camp or waiting until the CoH for mom to pin the medal on?
Leaving time in the schedule to finish Eagle, or training so he can legitimately hold that ASM + Trained patch right out the gate?

The answers are never the same for every boy. Except ...

"Son, it's about time you started seeing your own patches on!"
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Posted 18 January 2016 - 09:46 AM

  Oh course if he does not get Eagle that is fine because he has learned the important things in scouting.  Leadership, skills and self confidence and they are the highest rank in the BSA.  

My apologies for misunderstanding your comments, but somehow I got the impression he was Eagle.  As your last line attests, maybe that's where I assumed incorrectly.


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#28 Stosh

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Posted 18 January 2016 - 09:56 AM

off topic comment, but I'm disappointed that my son will not get to wear his AOL patch on his cub uniform.  I don't think he really cares, but I'm disappointed....

This is something I pushed for strongly when I was CM (presenting the award when earned, rather than waiting for the B&G/AOL Graduation/Bridge Crossover marathon of a day)

I thought the DL was on board with the idea too.

I even picked up the AOL patches for the den when i was at the scout shop in late November, in preparation to present in December (my son finished his AOL requirements with the roll of the calendar into december, since he only had to wait for the time requirement having done everything else...

but sadly, the DL chose not to present it at the last pack meeting or den meetings.

 

I really wish that I would have just held my son's patch and sewed it on.... just so he could show up at a few meetings with it on..... but truthfully, I don't think he cares so no biggie I guess

 

@blw2,  Not a big deal, I like the AOL patch better on the Boy Scout uniform anyway.  The AOL knot he wears on his adult uniform hasn't been received yet, but it is waiting for him when he turns 18.  It'll look good next to his Eagle knot when he shows up at a troop meeting ready to pass on his experience to the next generation.  Maybe you'll be able to watch your grandson sew his AOL patch on a Cub Scout uniform......   I'm with @qwazse on having the boys all learn to sew. 


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Posted 18 January 2016 - 10:52 AM

off topic comment, but I'm disappointed that my son will not get to wear his AOL patch on his cub uniform.  I don't think he really cares, but I'm disappointed....

This is something I pushed for strongly when I was CM (presenting the award when earned, rather than waiting for the B&G/AOL Graduation/Bridge Crossover marathon of a day)

 

 

Don't be, in fact in all of my time in Scouting, I've only seen recruiting and uniform materials with the AOL badge on the uniform. That's because as soon as they earn AOL, they can become Boy Scouts. 


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#30 blw2

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Posted 18 January 2016 - 10:58 AM

Don't be, in fact in all of my time in Scouting, I've only seen recruiting and uniform materials with the AOL badge on the uniform. That's because as soon as they earn AOL, they can become Boy Scouts. 

 

yeah, that's the way our pack has always done it... but it ain't true. Well for some who wait till the last minute to pencil whip the last few things maybe.... my son was finished last year with everything but the time requirement, troop visits, and the SM conference with the SM of the troop he might want to join. So he earned it basically 2 months before our early crossover is planned (3-months before the more typical crossover date)

 

and yes, very good point about letting him sew it on.  He knows how in theory at least.....


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#31 Stosh

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Posted 18 January 2016 - 01:42 PM

Don't be, in fact in all of my time in Scouting, I've only seen recruiting and uniform materials with the AOL badge on the uniform. That's because as soon as they earn AOL, they can become Boy Scouts. 

That sometimes varies from pack to pack.

 

When I was doing my WB ticket back in the 1990's, I went back to transition over Webelos boys to Boy Scouts.  They didn't have any WEB II boys so I had to take on the WEB I boys.  No big deal  I had 2 years to finish my ticket.

 

We went from a twice a month meeting to weekly meetings, knocked out the awards and pins, did a lot of weekend outing activities, pretty much just had a fun time. 

 

Well they crossed into Webelos from Bears at Blue-Gold in March, a bit early but that's how the pack did it.  Well, we did NOT shut down the den for the summer but plowed right on through having a good time and enjoying the nice weather of summer time.  By the end of Web I, the boys had in fact done so much they had earned their AOL at the end of the Web I year and had another whole year to go!  So we went back and picked up a few more pins, and worked on their Tenderfoot requirements for Boy Scouts.  We planned a big outing for the summer.  Canoed out to a deserted island, did the latrine dig thing, set up tents, went fishing, swam, did their own cooking, etc. Basically just had a blast of an outing.  I had asked a couple of Boy Scouts from my troop to help out for the weekend and they asked why they couldn't have outings like that in Boy Scouts.  The troop I was with at that time was major adult-led and fun outings planned by the boys didn't happen.

 

Needless to say the boys wore their AOL patch for 6-8 months before crossing over into Boy Scouts when they turned 10 1/2.  The adult-led SM complained to me the whole time these boys would be bored when they got into Boy Scouts because they had already "been there, done that."  But he did allow the boys when they crossed over to immediately receive their Scout rank AND their Tenderfoot rank which was allowed at that time.  The SM's fears of the boys being bored never materialized and all the boys from that den did earn their Eagles.

 

The lesson I learned from that ticket item, NEVER ASSUME YOU KNOW WHAT THE BOYS WANT/NEED UNTIL YOU'VE ASKED THEM!  THEN NEVER TAKE "I DUNNO" FOR AN ANSWER!  :)


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Posted 21 April 2016 - 06:55 PM

My apologies for misunderstanding your comments, but somehow I got the impression he was Eagle.  As your last line attests, maybe that's where I assumed incorrectly.

You can take back your Apology Because my son just earned his Eagle Scout rank 22 Days after turning 18.   I'm happy to see him do what he told me when he was a Tiger Cub Scout.   :D  :D  :D :D  :)  :D  


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Posted 21 April 2016 - 07:37 PM

You can take back your Apology Because my son just earned his Eagle Scout rank 22 Days after turning 18.   I'm happy to see him do what he told me when he was a Tiger Cub Scout.   :D  :D  :D :D  :)  :D  

Congratulations to all!


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#34 Stosh

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Posted 21 April 2016 - 08:31 PM

You can take back your Apology Because my son just earned his Eagle Scout rank 22 Days after turning 18.   I'm happy to see him do what he told me when he was a Tiger Cub Scout.   :D  :D  :D :D  :)  :D  

 

Even without the rank, he got the job done.  I don't have a problem with boys who are Real Scouts regardless of rank.


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Posted 22 April 2016 - 05:52 AM

Even without the rank, he got the job done.  I don't have a problem with boys who are Real Scouts regardless of rank.

I agree as I told others there where far better scouts that were my friends that never earned Eagle


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#36 Stosh

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Posted 22 April 2016 - 06:32 AM

I agree as I told others there where far better scouts that were my friends that never earned Eagle

 

Even if he didn't get his Eagle, congratulate him from me for getting the job done!  That is something he needs to be proud of!


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