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#81 Lurking...

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Posted 15 December 2015 - 12:07 PM

OMG, all this talk of blackpowder makes me nostalgic for my old reenacting days.

 

6:00 am, heavy fog, you have difficulty seeing front of you, a field of corn stands there.  The men are excited and tense.  It's time to give the order to move forward and within minutes all Hell breaks loose.  The temperature conversion tolds the fog and smoke close to the ground, your eyes burn and the smell of powder chokes in your throat.  The 150th Anniversary of Antietam/Sharpsburg, MD has begun.

 

Venture Crew 2 was there portraying 2nd WI Co. B  This is high adventure at it's best.

 


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#82 JasonG172

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Posted 15 December 2015 - 04:31 PM

 

 

Anyone ever deal with the "Camp Card"?   

 

 

I love the Camp Card program, 50% into the Scouts/units account.  We were selling for 5$ for about 3 years when we realized everyone else was doing 10$ now we are doing 10$ and my son sells around 50 every year.


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#83 Krampus

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Posted 16 December 2015 - 06:24 AM

I love the Camp Card program, 50% into the Scouts/units account.  We were selling for 5$ for about 3 years when we realized everyone else was doing 10$ now we are doing 10$ and my son sells around 50 every year.


Council requires we sell at face value. And with the number of units selling the market is diluted.
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Posted 16 December 2015 - 06:33 AM

Council requires we sell at face value. And with the number of units selling the market is diluted.

In our part of the state, dilution is a problem, but not from other camp card sales.   Rather, there are several other cards (community college, HS football boosters, etc.) that are tailored specifically for local businesses, and already have a loyal following.   So local folks already have "card fatigue" plus they aren't so keen on buying yet another that they can only use in a metropolitan area that requires a 3 hour drive, one way.


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Posted 16 December 2015 - 11:34 AM

Follow-Up to OP:

 

New DE, so now we have a Senior DE and DE; I guess that means we now have a "Key 4"?  :confused:  Anyway, the district commissioner only got 20% uptake on his "mandatory FOS" participation note. He is now wanting to set up meetings with the unit leaders. No reason given, but has basically given his schedule and expect leaders to fit in to time slots on his schedule. All slots are on a weekend where nearly every unit I know are camping (upcoming three day weekend in January).

 

I wonder if he knows just how out-of-touch he is with his units. :dry:


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#86 desertrat77

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Posted 16 December 2015 - 02:07 PM

@Krampus, it just keeps getting better! :)

 
Just a guess from a guy from the sticks, but is it your proximity to BSA HQ that lends itself to pro scouter featherbedding?   Two DEs, one to mentor the other?   One collects FOS and the other visits HQ Irving regularly for consultations/luncheons/etc. "from the field?"

 

Would like to hear the DC's new FOS pitch.   Especially when he/she looks out across the room at mostly empty chairs.   The DC is aware that the unit level leaders are volunteers, and under no obligation to attend his meeting or give to FOS?  Do the DEs realize this?  Does Irving?  (Rhetorical questions, your honor! :)


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Posted 16 December 2015 - 03:23 PM

<<Anyway, the district commissioner only got 20% uptake on his "mandatory FOS" participation note.>> 

 

 

I would be put off by that approach!

 

<<He is now wanting to set up meetings with the unit leaders. No reason given, but has basically given his schedule and expect leaders to fit in to time slots on his schedule. All slots are on a weekend where nearly every unit I know are camping (upcoming three day weekend in January).>> 

 

 

Shucks,  I would refuse to schedule such a meeting!

 

 

We discuss issues like this at the monthly Roundtable. That our last Roundtable included a review of the upcoming Klondike Derby,  Cub Scout Marble Tournament and Friends of Scouting.  Unfortunately,  not too many people attend. 

 

 

In my view the SMART DE will recognize that FOS is voluntary and that cooperation by units is voluntary.  


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#88 Krampus

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Posted 16 December 2015 - 04:27 PM

@Krampus, it just keeps getting better! :)
 
Just a guess from a guy from the sticks, but is it your proximity to BSA HQ that lends itself to pro scouter featherbedding?   Two DEs, one to mentor the other?   One collects FOS and the other visits HQ Irving regularly for consultations/luncheons/etc. "from the field?"
 
Would like to hear the DC's new FOS pitch.   Especially when he/she looks out across the room at mostly empty chairs.   The DC is aware that the unit level leaders are volunteers, and under no obligation to attend his meeting or give to FOS?  Do the DEs realize this?  Does Irving?  (Rhetorical questions, your honor! :)


Being so close to Irving makes everyone a silver beaver, wood badge, ptc expert. One of the reasons we just focus on our unit. I don't have time to get all the bling they want me to get in order for them to pay me attention. They'll take my money but never anything else. ;)

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Posted 16 December 2015 - 10:49 PM

More than anything I resent an imposition to a Boy Scout court of honor, a four times a year event, a captive audience and boring the boys.  Let the parents give some feedback.  Do they want a presentation at a COH, or do you schedule it during a different meeting?  (Swim night?)  Have some discipline adult leaders and just say 'not the COH, but you can come on__________"

 

(With pack meetings happening once a month, 10 minutes for the FOS guy was okay.  You need a CM with a hook to pull them off stage.,,,, and the cubs in the gym playing sock war.  :))

 

I work in a non-profit, have kids to educate, and little extra change.  However, I bought a latte today.  I can find a little cash for my district because I support the scouting movement, for my sons and boys in other troops into the future.  Now I don't see waste in my district, but I'm not investing thousands, so I'm not hiring a forensic accountant.  I support the scouting movement cause I see what good it does.

 


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Posted 17 December 2015 - 11:37 AM

We tell them that we'll pass the cards out and make the presentation for them if they'll just stay away. I think they've mostly given up on us anyway. We have a lot of families of 'modest means' so no matter what their efforts are mostly going to be in vain.


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Posted 28 December 2015 - 09:23 AM

Follow-Up to OP:

 

New DE, so now we have a Senior DE and DE; I guess that means we now have a "Key 4"?  :confused:  Anyway, the district commissioner only got 20% uptake on his "mandatory FOS" participation note. He is now wanting to set up meetings with the unit leaders. No reason given, but has basically given his schedule and expect leaders to fit in to time slots on his schedule. All slots are on a weekend where nearly every unit I know are camping (upcoming three day weekend in January).

 

I wonder if he knows just how out-of-touch he is with his units. :dry:

 

 

I get this totally.  We have a new Finance Ex and he is really pushing this on volunteers as well.  He actually setup a meeting at our local camp at 6pm during a WORK WEEK?  Seriously?


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Posted 28 December 2015 - 01:20 PM

...and when FOS doesn't quite fill the quota, assess an new "activity" fee to registration. Five dollars additional for each Scout at time of troop registration.


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#93 Krampus

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Posted 29 December 2015 - 08:12 AM

...and when FOS doesn't quite fill the quota, assess an new "activity" fee to registration. Five dollars additional for each Scout at time of troop registration.

 

You mean at the council level? They'd have a hard time selling that. They've made such a big deal over the years of their "cost of scouting" transparency that any such increase would be soundly beaten up by the units. Not to mention, I suspect now that it is a fee (rather than a voluntary contribution) the whole aspect of the deduction is not taken away. I know no one in my unit would give anything if they were forced to pay a "make up fee" of any kind.

 

If there was better campaign management I think FOS would have less of an issue meeting their goals in my area.


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Posted 29 December 2015 - 08:15 PM

I actually dug my own cathole at Philmont a few times. Learned how to do it in ROTC. Was much better than the outhouses with somebody else's feces on the seat.

 I remember reading on Philmont Outhouse Walls

" No need to stand on the Seat....Philmont Crabs can jump 6 feet"


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Posted 04 January 2016 - 10:54 AM

"as the council sees fit."

I would talk to the Executive Committee, then.  They signed off on the projects.  I'd also talk to the Facilities Committee of the Executive Board; they nominated the projects.

 

Who are on those boards?  Scouters, or business folk getting their non-profit support experience ticket punched?

I've been blessed and cursed to see business executives who care about the n-p they serve (my banker is on the finance and operations committee of the KC Symphony, she says she gives 10 hours a week of her professional skills to them; a friend is on the Council Exec Board, he's been chair of the operations committee, since he owned a 200 truck semi fleet at one point in his life).  The cursed guys?  You don't want to know...


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