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#21 walk in the woods

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Posted 13 August 2015 - 09:37 AM

 

 

Well, when people never learn to take care of themselves in life, we have institutions dedicated to taking care of them.

Or they elect for Bernie! :)


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#22 Gone

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Posted 13 August 2015 - 10:53 AM

instant gratification in Scouting is a relatively new thing on the Boy Scout side, I remember having COHs 3 times a year to give out rank, mbs, etc

 

CS had the immediate recognition kits when i was a cub

 

The US military has it too. Just sayin'. Always has. ;)


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#23 CalicoPenn

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Posted 13 August 2015 - 11:02 AM

I didn't have summer homework either, which around here amounts mainly to reading and reporting on two or three books from the summer reading list - not really an onerous task, but if I did, I expect my parents would have done the same thing they did during the school year - ask me if I've done my homework, ask how my paper was coming along, ask if I was keeping up with my reading.  In other words, they would be engaged because they did recognize that it wasn't just the teacher's job to be involved, and they did have a responsibility to make sure that I was getting my work done, but they did it without hovering too.  They did their part, they didn't hound me but they let me know they were watching - if I still failed to finish my homework, there was no one to blame but me and in that sense it was my responsibility, but it was my parents responsibility to monitor me and my progress, not anyone elses (the teacher's job was to instruct and mark my progress and share that with my parents).


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#24 perdidochas

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Posted 24 January 2017 - 04:11 PM

Well if you're not responsible to make sure your son does his summer homework, who is? 

 

His son is responsible for doing his summer homework. 


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#25 CalicoPenn

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Posted 27 January 2017 - 09:58 AM

So the consensus seems to be that the parents have absolutely no responsibility in this at all, is that an accurate statement? 

 

Yes, the son is responsible for completing the work and I don't think anyone is suggesting otherwise, is suggesting that if the son doesn't complete the work, a parent should step in and do it.  But if that's the interpretation, I think that's using a rather narrow definition of the term responsibility.

 

Is there no responsibility here for the parent?  Not even the responsibility of the parent to know what homework the son has and to monitor their progress?  It doesn't have to be a strict "do it or you don't go to summer camp" conversation, but surely over the course of 8 weeks, a parent can ask, even if it's just once a week, "How are you getting along on your summer reading assignment?"  Surely that's a form of responsibility as well.

 

If a parent has no responsibility in this at all, what else isn't a parents responsibility? 

 

What are we teaching our SPL's and PL's about responsibility?  We tell them they're responsible for their boys.  If a parent is not responsible for monitoring a son's homework and making sure they get it done, how can we then tell a PL that they are responsible for making sure that the members of his patrol assigned to buy food have done their jobs?  If they're following this example, why couldn't they, when they got to the campsite and had no food for the weekend, say that they gave the responsibility to do that to Scout Joe and it's Scout Joe's fault that it wasn't done.  Most of us would be having a very long talk about how it is the PL's responsibility not just to assign the task but to follow up with Scout Joe to make sure it got done.

 

Or is the problem here that it's a task not assigned by the parent but by the school system?  Are folks perhaps thinking the school district should be calling students in the middle of the summer to check in on them?  Let me tell you, as a taxpayer, I don't want my school district spending money on bringing staff in to make all those calls - I expect that parents should be taking some responsibility for their own children's education.  I'm known in here for my relatively liberal views on things - and I don't mind paying a bit more in taxes so kids have opportunities to do more than just learn readin', ritin' and 'rithmatic' in school - but if there truly is a trend for parents to say they aren't responsible for making sure their kids do homework, then I'll be first in line to vote for people who say they will cut my taxes by cutting all extracurriculars - sports, band, theater, after-school clubs, etc. - from the budget.


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#26 bearess

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Posted 31 January 2017 - 07:44 AM

Sure, the homework is the kids' responsibility. But I don't think some parental checkins are unreasonable.
When my son gets home, I ask if he has homework. He says yes or no, I say "Be sure it gets done by dinner". I don't think that's unreasonable. I also,look over his homework and work with him if he's having trouble in an area. Again, I think that's reasonable, responsible parenting. I'm not doing the work for him. I'm providing him the support he needs to do his best work.

As for the entitlement/best friend thing- Yeah. It gets old. My expectation of my kids is that they take no gracefully and are able to function as members of a community. That means, a lot of the time, they don't get exactly what they want! I get so frustrated, though, when their teachers/coaches/Cubmaster constantly let the other kids who are louder and more obnoxious do what they want, while my kids get ignored because they are polite.
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