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#21 Tokala

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Posted 26 January 2016 - 03:03 PM

You can add Gulf Ridge Council based in Tampa, FL and West Central Florida Council based in Seminole, FL to the list of mergers. Neither is in debt or crisis. Both are stable with sizable endowments. A vieled threat from National has been persistent and WCFC being smaller geographically and membership has capitulated. Final vote by the CORs will be in March with corporate paperwork done by June. Hopefully the result is better and more program. Too bad we dpn't have a plan other than "this will be great and our volunteers will love it". I say that as a Board member of WCFC.


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Posted 26 January 2016 - 03:16 PM

You can add Gulf Ridge Council based in Tampa, FL and West Central Florida Council based in Seminole, FL to the list of mergers. Neither is in debt or crisis. Both are stable with sizable endowments. A vieled threat from National has been persistent and WCFC being smaller geographically and membership has capitulated. Final vote by the CORs will be in March with corporate paperwork done by June. Hopefully the result is better and more program. Too bad we dpn't have a plan other than "this will be great and our volunteers will love it". I say that as a Board member of WCFC.


Curious...what was the threat?
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#23 RememberSchiff

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Posted 26 January 2016 - 03:28 PM

1. If you can in your state, move your council camp(s) into land trusts so neither Council nor National can sell it.

2. Vote NO to merger.

3. Most of scouting is local, keep control local.

 

Good luck, resistance is not futile. Some councils have voted NO.


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#24 Tokala

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Posted 05 April 2016 - 02:22 PM

The threat from National was to pull the Council charter or reduce it's geography to an unsustainable level. My comments were that they would be stupid to do that because it would just inflame and cause a mutiny with volunteers and parents. Unfortunately not having the benefit of a Council website or email system, the opposition was squelched. Honestly, the available volunteer pool has been shrinking making it more difficult to recruit and then offer program. The Region wanted a merger done a few years ago and when WCFC rejected it we were given conditional charters for 2 years as punishment.


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Posted 13 April 2016 - 10:58 AM

To sum it all up  what is truly wrong with the scouting program today begins and ends at the National Office, the CSE, and the unprepared and incompetent  SE's they are placing in the field,  many of whom are bankrupting the councils they are assigned to instead of building them up and making them successful.


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#26 Krampus

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Posted 13 April 2016 - 11:10 AM

To sum it all up  what is truly wrong with the scouting program today begins and ends at the National Office, the CSE, and the unprepared and incompetent  SE's they are placing in the field,  many of whom are bankrupting the councils they are assigned to instead of building them up and making them successful.

 

If their training for the CSEs is like their adult volunteer training, the first module is "Make Council Successful". The sole content being "Go and make the council successful."

 

That was their "Get more minorities to join Scouting" training. In a nutshell they said "Go get more minorities to join Scouting."

 

Why didn't we think of that?  :rolleyes:


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#27 RememberSchiff

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Posted 13 April 2016 - 02:45 PM

Yeah mergers. When asked about the drop in membership, I have heard more than one council SE respond. "Oh no our council has expanded and we have MORE members than..."  :rolleyes:


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Posted 17 May 2016 - 01:14 PM

You can add Gulf Ridge Council based in Tampa, FL and West Central Florida Council based in Seminole, FL to the list of mergers. Neither is in debt or crisis. Both are stable with sizable endowments. A vieled threat from National has been persistent and WCFC being smaller geographically and membership has capitulated. Final vote by the CORs will be in March with corporate paperwork done by June. Hopefully the result is better and more program. Too bad we dpn't have a plan other than "this will be great and our volunteers will love it". I say that as a Board member of WCFC.

I was wondering what was going on. Really not much news coming out on how this gonna affect things--I keep hearing 'no change, no change at all' which beggars the question 'why do it?". Now the new Tampa Bay Regional Council will have a huge service area. I do not like that I hear rumors that the two OA Lodges will have to merge.


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Posted 17 May 2016 - 02:06 PM

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    Yes the two lodges will merge.

 

    We recently went through a district split, and were hoping the one chapter would remain to serve both districts. We barely had the basic committees staffed with youth and advisers. OH YEAH, they demanded that the chapter split immediately. We advisers and youth tried to explain, but nobody would listen. We were told that this decision came from national OA. Both new chapters were forcefully created.They never had a chance. GREAT MOVE national OA! Thanks for listening to your members.

 

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#30 T2Eagle

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Posted 18 May 2016 - 03:38 PM

Since our lodge doesn't have any chapters I'd be surprised if "national OA" had anything at all to say about whether your chapters split, combined or did somersaults.  How would National even know if there was something going on vis a vis a chapter.  Whenever anybody tells you "national said" claim you're from Missouri.  Show Me.  National BSA cares a lot about a few things, and not at all about most things, they are never going to get into the weeds about something like that.


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#31 meyerc13

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Posted 19 May 2016 - 08:14 AM

Our Council merged with another about four years ago.  The lodges were forced to merge as well about a year later.  About two years ago, the new larger Council announced its ten year plan for its properties.  It was decided (not by those of us volunteering and wearing the tan shirts) that it would be in the Council's best interest to sell several properties.  Two camps have already been sold, both from the larger of the two Councils (the one that kept its name in the merger).

 

Council mergers are always interesting, but are really nothing new.  The one Council I'm in today, is the culmination of a dozen different Councils merging at various points in time over the course of.100 years.


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Posted 17 June 2016 - 08:12 PM

"Follow the money"

"Publicity.  Get a local news writer interested."

"Communication"

"CORs are the voting members"

"Who REALLY owns the camps?  Research the land titles"

"Publicity. Facebook, tweet, blah, blah."

"It's for the kids"

"Confront the Council Leaders with the Scout Law. Are they Trustworthy? etc.  "

 

"Good Luck"


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#33 Hedgehog

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Posted 18 June 2016 - 04:42 AM

As of the early 80's, New Jersey probably had about 15-20 councils, and I would not be surprised if earlier there were 25 or more. Now I believe there are five councils entirely in NJ and two others with some territory in NJ but based in Pennsylvania. (The late great OldGreyEagle's council, Minsi Trails, is one of the latter; the other was the Bucks County Council up until a couple a couple years ago, now called the Washington Crossing Council to reflect the fact that it now includes both sides of Washington's crossing of the Delaware.)

Some of the old councils in New Jersey were very small geographically. My father was a Boy Scout in the Bayonne council, which consisted of one small city.

 

 

The George Washington Council merged to form Central Jersey Council which disbanded spinning off districts to neighboring councils.  We went to Bucks County which changed its name to the Washington's Crossing Council.  Central New Jersey had two camps - Kittatinny Mountain Scout Reservation and Yards Creek.  Neither were maintained sufficiently to operate a summer camp.  My experience with Washington's Crossing has been positive.  The only downside is that it is a longer trip to the Scout Shop.  The councils that remain in New Jersey seem pretty strong.  Northern New Jersey, Patriot's Path and Garden State  have multiple camps and Jersey Shore has a nice facility at Citta.


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Posted 30 July 2016 - 09:36 PM

I have heard from a couple of different people that there is talk of merging four or five councils in Northeast Ohio into one large council.  I haven't heard anything official, but a couple of different people who are not in the same circle saying this has me somewhat concerned.


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Posted 03 August 2016 - 07:53 AM

I have heard from a couple of different people that there is talk of merging four or five councils in Northeast Ohio into one large council.  I haven't heard anything official, but a couple of different people who are not in the same circle saying this has me somewhat concerned.

Encourage those in your area to look at the Michigan Crossroads Council.  All of the councils in lower Michigan combined several years ago and it has not gone well.  By the end of the year more than half of the camps they started with will have been closed.  Council promised that the merger would result in more boots on the ground to help with programming, that also has not happened.  The larger council has made it harder to get answers and left many scouters feeling like they have no say in the local scouting program. 


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