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#1 ScoutingMom2

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Posted 12 March 2015 - 05:59 AM

My son will be bridging over in two weeks. My question is: After he bridges, does he remove his Webelos badge since he is no longer a Cub Scout? My son does not want to be out of place when he goes to his first troop meting.
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Posted 12 March 2015 - 06:16 AM

Your son will remove should remove his webelos badge and den strip. Replace his pack number with his new Troop numbers if the two units don't share numbers.
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Posted 12 March 2015 - 06:30 AM

Your son will remove should remove his webelos badge and den strip. Replace his pack number with his new Troop numbers if the two units don't share numbers.



And change the shoulder loops from blue to green.
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#4 Eagle94-A1

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Posted 12 March 2015 - 06:31 AM

SM2,

1) WELCOME TO DA FORUMS!

2) I provided links to two uniform links, the Inspection Sheets and current uniform price guide below.

3) I am going to assume that he went with the current issue, tan and green Webelos uniform option. What needs to be done is the following
A) He will need a new, green Boy Scout hat.
B) He will need new green shoulder loops
C) He will need a new Boy Scout green belt.
D) He will need a Boy Scout Handbook
E) He will need new green on tan numbers
F) Depending upon the troop, he will either be issued or need to purchase a troop neckerchief.

4) Webelos Badge is removed as it is Cub Scout rank. However the Arrow of Light Award can be worn.

5) The links below only show the current uniform, not any previous issued uniforms. They are still valid, but your SON (emphasis) may need to talk to some "old fogeys" to get the info.

6) As I mentioned above, your son should now start taking responsiblity for his uniform, advancement, etc. It can be hard on parents, even those of us who know better ;) , but we need to start letting go.

7. Hope this helps.


http://www.scoutstuf...spection-sheets

http://www.scoutstuf...PrcChgesFNL.pdf
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#5 perdidochas

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Posted 12 March 2015 - 09:17 AM

My son will be bridging over in two weeks. My question is: After he bridges, does he remove his Webelos badge since he is no longer a Cub Scout? My son does not want to be out of place when he goes to his first troop meting.


If he's getting his Arrow of Light, that can stay on his Khaki shirt. My son the Eagle still has his AOL on his shirt.
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Posted 12 March 2015 - 02:59 PM

Yes, he should remove his Webelos badge, but regarding the list of things E94A1 gave, first ask the troop what if anything they provide and what their expectations are. Our troop provides the shoulder loops, book, numbers, and troop neckerchief as part of our crossover or bridging ceremony. We don't wear a uniform hat except for the ball cap issued by summer camp, and many of the scout pants have a web belting sewn in.
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Posted 12 March 2015 - 08:54 PM

When boys cross over into my troop, they generally come wearing their Webelos uniform. During orientation, the boys go over what goes and what stays. The necker belongs to the unit so he doesn't need to buy one and the book is his crossover gift. The boys still go with the red/white numerals with red loops, the new boy has red loops and bought a green/tan numeral. No one said a thing. He may notice some day and make the change. As picky as I am about the uniform, I still run a boy-led program. I get invited to do a full uniform inspection from time to time and I critique each boy and offer up suggestions as to what he might wish to consider to be more in line with the BSA standard. Within a few weeks things slowly change. Stosh
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Posted 13 March 2015 - 08:37 AM

When boys cross over into my troop, they generally come wearing their Webelos uniform. During orientation, the boys go over what goes and what stays. The necker belongs to the unit so he doesn't need to buy one and the book is his crossover gift. The boys still go with the red/white numerals with red loops, the new boy has red loops and bought a green/tan numeral. No one said a thing. He may notice some day and make the change.

As picky as I am about the uniform, I still run a boy-led program. I get invited to do a full uniform inspection from time to time and I critique each boy and offer up suggestions as to what he might wish to consider to be more in line with the BSA standard. Within a few weeks things slowly change.

Stosh



We also give each new Scout a handbook as they crossover into our Troop. The parent(s) is/are paired with veteran parents to learn the differences between the Pack and Troop.

ScoutingMom,

As for the uni, your son should remove the Cub Scout insignia and ask his patrol leader or senior patrol leader what the proper placement is for the Troop.


Stosh, I sent you a private message.
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Posted 13 March 2015 - 09:16 AM

ScoutingMom2, first of all, welcome to the forums! Second of all, you are to be commended for caring that your son be properly uniformed when he shows up for his first troop meeting. In my experience, a lot of parents don't really care. I personally think that the sons of the parents who DO care about things like this end up having a better Scouting experience. I also think it is largely a matter of "local custom" whether a new Scout is expected to show up for his first meeting with the Webelos patch removed, den patch removed, unit numerals updated, and the other things mentioned in some of the earlier posts. In our troop most of the boys who just crossed over show up with their "Webelos uniform" intact, and generally over the next few weeks the patches are changed over. (Not to mention almost all the boys show up in jeans, because very few of the Cub Scouts (or Cub Scout leaders) in my area wear the uniform pants. Sometime during the Scout's first few troop meetings, the parents go through the "uniform closet" to see if there are any pants of the right size, and if not they go out and buy them.) There is also the possibility that the troop your son is joining has its own hat and/or neckerchief and/or customized unit numeral patch, which you should find out before you buy anything. As far as removing the Webelos badge, as I said, in my area nobody would say anything if it is still there. But you can't go wrong by removing it, since it is not a Boy Scout award.
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#10 Stosh

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Posted 13 March 2015 - 10:11 AM

Gotta keep it in mind that not all parents really know the difference between what is Cub and what is Scout when it comes to the uniform. Den number or patrol patch will need to go. The right sleeve should only have the US flag. If it has obviously Cub scout patches on the right pocket or anything related to Cub scouts on the right side of the shirt, they go too. The temporary patch on the pocket can stay for as long as the scout thinks it's cool. Left side of the shirt, the purple/white universal scouting emblem stays. The religious knot he might have earned stays, his service stars stay, the rank patch (Webelos) is gone and if they have all the ranks and arrow points, they all go as well, and the AOL below the pocket stays. Keep the service stars, just the last one and it keeps the backing. If your boy was in the whole Cub Scout program he will have a service star #1 with an orange backing,for his year as a Tiger, a service start #4 with a yellow backing for the 4 years in Cubbing. The years he puts into Scouting will be a third star with # of years and a green backing. Loops will change from Blue to muted Green. On the left sleeve, the Council Patch stays, replace the numerals with tan/green numbers, but as mentioned make sure the troop doesn't use a custom patch for that. Everything else on that sleeve goes. When your son gets his BSA Handbook, the inside front and back covers show what is needed for sleeves/pockets and the correct measurements to get them in the right spot on the shirt/sleeve. Stosh
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Posted 13 March 2015 - 12:04 PM

In the best "Bridging" ceremonies I have seen, (aside from the OA brou haha), the receiving Troop has a representative (the SPL and ASPLs preferably, but maybe the SM or ASM) who "welcomes" the Scout into the new Troop. The "old" CM has taken off the Cub necker, hat, the blue loops and shaken the Cubs hand goodbye. The nascent Boy Scout crosses the bridge. The receiving Scout(er) puts on the new necker, the new green loops and the new hat. He shakes the hand (BS handshake?) of the new BScout in welcome. I have even seen the welcoming PL there from the new Scout's assigned Patrol, with Patrol patch. I have seen this happen with multiple Troops represented. Sometimes the new BScout even gets a new BSHB from the Troop. Of course, this means the Troop needs to have a good budget and an understanding about the collection of dues, either before or after joining. All that is a fair amount of "bling" for a new Scout, but it is a very meaningful welcoming gesture. Then, the Troop rep can speak to the new Scout and parents about what is expected at the Troop meeting. Patrol assignment? Uniform? Upcoming schedule? Takes some planning and an appreciation of what such niceties can mean to the Scout and his parents. What's a new Scout mean to your Troop?
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Posted 13 March 2015 - 12:35 PM

I was just looking at the bryan on scouting page re. service stars to refresh my memory about which color is which.... and it hit me. I thought about this thread! They posted what looks to be an excerpt from the uniform inspection sheet, I noticed that the OVAL version of the WEBELOS badge is shaped and placed to resemble a Boy Scout rank patch. As a Cub Scouter, I haven't dwelled much on this to date..... I can almost buy an argument, if one were made, that the intention was for this to crossover as an early rank badge in scouts, maybe to differentiate between a WEBELOS scout who has already studied things like the motto, promise, etc..., and a new and "green" scout that knows nothing. I don't have handbooks handy. Is it written anywhere officially in the Uniform guide or elsewhere, that the oval WEB badge should be removed and not considered an entry level rank to be replaced by the Scout badge or maybe even Tenderfoot when earned? Why else would national even have this oval badge option, and not just have the diamond Cub Scout version?
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Posted 13 March 2015 - 05:02 PM

Why else? To distinguish the boy who still is a Webelos and earned his AoL from the boy who is working on that Scout rank and earned his AoL once upon a time. It's not all about the epaulets! Bottom line: the only insignia a cub can carry over to his hour scout uniform is the AoL. (Okay, and service stars.)
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Posted 13 March 2015 - 07:26 PM

I guess the orange for Tigers has been dropped. Qwazse - If the boy earned the religious knot that carries over too!!! That includes any other knots he might have. I had a boy cross over with the life saving knot along with his religious knot. Stosh
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Posted 14 November 2016 - 12:50 PM

You can always buy a whole new uniform if you can afford it.  It will save the time of taking off the old patches plus it will be a cool keepsake.  I still have my old Cub Scout uniform from 30 years ago.


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Posted 14 November 2016 - 02:12 PM

Why else? To distinguish the boy who still is a Webelos and earned his AoL from the boy who is working on that Scout rank and earned his AoL once upon a time. It's not all about the epaulets! Bottom line: the only insignia a cub can carry over to his hour scout uniform is the AoL. (Okay, and service stars.)

re-reading this old post.... qwazse I think missed my point...

why would they offer both the diamond rank badge AND the oval rank badge, for the SAME rank?

   It still strikes me that to someone and at some point along the line, somebody must have intended this to be some sort of transitional thing, given that the rank patch is the same size, shape, smell, taste, and feel, as the Scout ranks

 

Honestly, that whole rank patch thing to me smells like there were three parallel schools of thought happening and the folks weren't talking with each other.

.... I mean if a scout were to opt for the diamond WEBELOS rank badge, where does it go in the diamond on his Cub uniform?  Why Does the newly minted WEBELOS remove his Tiger?  that just doesn't make any sense.....


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Posted 14 November 2016 - 03:43 PM

Maybe BSA ought to come out with a new Boy Scout sash that has a blue stripe along one side so that all the Cubbies can continue to wear all their bling up until they are Eagle.


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Posted 15 November 2016 - 07:28 AM

re-reading this old post.... qwazse I think missed my point...

why would they offer both the diamond rank badge AND the oval rank badge, for the SAME rank?

   It still strikes me that to someone and at some point along the line, somebody must have intended this to be some sort of transitional thing, given that the rank patch is the same size, shape, smell, taste, and feel, as the Scout ranks

 

Honestly, that whole rank patch thing to me smells like there were three parallel schools of thought happening and the folks weren't talking with each other.

.... I mean if a scout were to opt for the diamond WEBELOS rank badge, where does it go in the diamond on his Cub uniform?  Why Does the newly minted WEBELOS remove his Tiger?  that just doesn't make any sense.....

 

Here's a little history about the Tiger Badges, and oval Webelos Badges.

 

From August 1982 to about  early1990s,  Tiger Cubs as they were called were not officially part of a pack. Their uniform consisted of an orange tshirt and full tiger paw iron on decals. At the end of the school year, they received a square "Tiger Cub Graduate" patch that was worn on the right pocket, and could be worn with the "Progress Toward Ranks" totem, essentially covering it up. At some point the Tiger Paws had cut outs in them to correspond to the activity the Tiger earned. Major problems with those ( the iron on decals kept getting messed up due to the cut outs). But the patch at the end of the year went from a square patch on the pocket to a "Tiger Cubs, BSA" strip under the right pocket, so it wouldn't be covered up.

 

Sometime in the 1995-1997 time frame when I worked for national supply, the iron on decals went away, and a belt fob with  recessed diamond shape in the middle, came out. You earned beads then when you earned your Tiger Cub Rank, the new diamond shape Tiger Cub Badge was placed on the belt fob. What was cool was that the Tiger Cub Badges had a glue background that you peeled and stuck to the belt fob.

 

At some point in the early 2000s, Tigers were fully incorporated into the Cub Scout program. The belt totem became a pocket totem, and the Tiger Cub Badge became an official patch to wear on the pocket. BUT WHERE?  Someone at national decided that since most Webelos went to the tan and green uniform, go ahead and put the Tiger Cub Rank patch in the spot where the Webelos badge would go. And since Webelos are transitioning from Cub Scouts tyo Boy Scouts, create a new Oval Webelos badge.  Problem was that the LDS units, and more traditional units, as well as those parents and Cub Scouts who kept the Blue uniform on wanted the traditional diamond shaped patch. So then the option of removing the Tiger Patch and replacing with Webelos patch, wearing the blue Webelos diamond by itself, or in in a tan and green uniform going with the oval caem about.


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Posted 15 November 2016 - 02:34 PM

The only two items that can remain on the uniform is the Religious Knot and Recruiter.


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Posted 15 November 2016 - 03:53 PM

Yeah Eagle94, I figured it went something like that....actually I knew the bit about Tiger not being part of the pack....

 

The bit about the oval WEBELOS badge fits right in with my thinking that really, what does it matter?..... let them leave it on till it's replaced with Scout.  Who cares?  It shouldn't be all taht long after joining the troop that it would go, anyway, right?


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