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Have you heard of a Scout Patrol that doesn't like to camp?


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#1 LeCastor

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Posted 27 October 2014 - 08:48 PM

Well, that's what I've got right now. As the older Scouts have turned 18 and moved on to college, etc, the younger Scouts coming into my Troop "just aren't that into camping. They put camping trips on their Patrol calendar but when it comes to their Patrol meetings they realize that none of them are going. Many excuses are made as to why camping isn't fun and they'd rather see if anything else comes up. You may recall that I got two Scouts from this Patrol to agree to go camping two weekends ago. That was solely to fulfill First Class requirements and most definitely NOT because they wanted to be out camping. (They actually told me that.). The rest of their Patrol calendar for the year is hockey games, video game nights, and board games. Hiking, camping, and general Green-Bar-Billing is anathema to these youngsters. I guess this is turning into a rant but I guess I just gotta vent...
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#2 King Ding Dong

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Posted 27 October 2014 - 09:14 PM

Can I rant with you?
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#3 LeCastor

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Posted 27 October 2014 - 09:35 PM

Sure!
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Posted 27 October 2014 - 10:10 PM

Relax. This actually means you can challenge them to plan activities that don't require adults ... Day trips, service projects, scavenger hunts around town, geocaching, etc ... I'd suggest that you challenge them to arrange each activity with minimum assistance from adults and as scouts to figure out some way to couple community service or conservation with each activity.
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Posted 27 October 2014 - 10:41 PM

Wilderness Survival ---------------------------------- > Wilderness Survival event.
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#6 King Ding Dong

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Posted 27 October 2014 - 10:50 PM

Haha, service projects? You mean beyond a couple of hours a year for scouting for food or the bare minimum for rank advancement? ROFL. "What's in it for me?" My troop is not as bad as LaCastor's, but everything still has to be big fun trip. $240 ski trip in January (adult planned) Remember my "cave camping" trip in a cave with electricity and flushing toilets, back again this year. $60 Some Mafaking orienteering cabin campout that the adults have to do all the planning and set up for. Sounds like LaCastor's boys have already figured out how to schedule activities that don't require much adult participation.
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Posted 27 October 2014 - 11:11 PM

Show them the plans for the World Jamboree in Japan next summer, , or in Summit 2019 if they want a challenge.
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Posted 28 October 2014 - 12:17 AM

They should find some other group to join. They don't want to be in Scouting.
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#9 LeCastor

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Posted 28 October 2014 - 07:16 AM

They should find some other group to join. They don't want to be in Scouting.


:( Sadly, I think you're correct. However, if they bail on me I don't have a Troop. After sleeping on this one I have come to the following conclusion:

LeCastor, you should be happy that they are in your Troop and that they are taking advantage of the Patrol System/Method. They've planned their own activities and, even though they aren't outdoors-centric, they are going to do what they're going to do.

I can lead them horses down to the river but I can't make them drink.


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#10 LeCastor

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Posted 28 October 2014 - 07:26 AM

Wilderness Survival ---------------------------------- > Wilderness Survival event.



We have a Patrol of older Scouts who have a wilderness survival outing on the calendar. These young men are the last of the die-hard outdoors Scouts in my Troop. They joined Scouting for the adventure and they've made that happen for themselves over the past 5-7 years. They'll go far in life; I have no doubt about that.
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Posted 28 October 2014 - 07:30 AM

Relax. This actually means you can challenge them to plan activities that don't require adults ... Day trips, service projects, scavenger hunts around town, geocaching, etc ... I'd suggest that you challenge them to arrange each activity with minimum assistance from adults and as scouts to figure out some way to couple community service or conservation with each activity.



Yes, both Patrols participate frequently in service to our local food pantry and homeless shelter(s). Since they have done such a good job in the past, those institutions as us back time and time again. As for day trips, etc, I have already done those suggestions. I'm afraid the lure of Minecraft is much stronger than walking around town or geocaching.

My favorite quote from last night: "Honestly, I don't care if go or if I don't go!" LOL (Is there an emoticon for gouging your eyes out?)
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Posted 28 October 2014 - 08:00 AM

No camping no camping merit badge no eagle. I would try to talk to the Cub Scout pack at work with them. Get your webelos ready for next year. Also talk to the parents of the boys if they dont want to be scouts and they dont they want a club the YMCA is there for that.
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#13 LeCastor

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Posted 28 October 2014 - 08:17 AM

No camping no camping merit badge no eagle. I would try to talk to the Cub Scout pack at work with them. Get your webelos ready for next year. Also talk to the parents of the boys if they dont want to be scouts and they dont they want a club the YMCA is there for that.



Hey, St0ut, I totally hear you. As I mentioned above, those two young Scouts who went on the campout two weekends ago did it solely because of the camping merit badge--"collecting nights". But you and the Gipper are right. I should talk to the parents and evaluate this whole Scouting business. Our local Cub Pack is dwindling, too, but I've reached out to those Webelos three times about going on an "adventure" and having fun with the Boy Scouts. All I hear is crickets...LOL
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Posted 28 October 2014 - 08:26 AM

Yes, both Patrols participate frequently in service to our local food pantry and homeless shelter(s). Since they have done such a good job in the past, those institutions as us back time and time again. As for day trips, etc, I have already done those suggestions. I'm afraid the lure of Minecraft is much stronger than walking around town or geocaching.

My favorite quote from last night: "Honestly, I don't care if go or if I don't go!" LOL (Is there an emoticon for gouging your eyes out?)


Tough nuts, eh? Looks like your high adventures are going to be anime conventions! Posted Image Or start brainstorming ...

It sounds like these guys are willing to help others, so try to find ways to challenge them in that arena. Explain that you want the boys to render Minecraft in 7D (that's 3D plus the other 4 senses). Those shelters might need some new construction, which might begin with a drive to collect tools or materials. Or maybe there's a Habitat for Humanity organization that needs help sorting supplies. (World Vision has their shipping facility near our neighborhood - it's been a great opportunity for our youth to learn about international relief work.) Talk to the health department and see if they can come for a meeting and talk about infectious diseases. (I'll give you points for super-coolness if you can find a Dr. or Nurse who came back from West Africa recently.)

As a troop. Don't go camping anymore. Instead plan 36 hour search and rescue/disaster relief drills. Employ radios, search grids, computer networking, remote sensing, etc ... Give them a "patient" for whom they must set up shelter over night once they find him. The patient can be a wireless thermometer that has to be maintained at a certain temperature.

Good luck.
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#15 LeCastor

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Posted 28 October 2014 - 09:09 AM


Tough nuts, eh? Looks like your high adventures are going to be anime conventions! Posted Image Or start brainstorming ...

It sounds like these guys are willing to help others, so try to find ways to challenge them in that arena. Explain that you want the boys to render Minecraft in 7D (that's 3D plus the other 4 senses). Those shelters might need some new construction, which might begin with a drive to collect tools or materials. Or maybe there's a Habitat for Humanity organization that needs help sorting supplies. (World Vision has their shipping facility near our neighborhood - it's been a great opportunity for our youth to learn about international relief work.) Talk to the health department and see if they can come for a meeting and talk about infectious diseases. (I'll give you points for super-coolness if you can find a Dr. or Nurse who came back from West Africa recently.)

As a troop. Don't go camping anymore. Instead plan 36 hour search and rescue/disaster relief drills. Employ radios, search grids, computer networking, remote sensing, etc ... Give them a "patient" for whom they must set up shelter over night once they find him. The patient can be a wireless thermometer that has to be maintained at a certain temperature.

Good luck.


Tough nuts, indeed!

We have a 30-year veteran Ski Patroller in our Troop and he is excellent with the disaster simulations. I think we could run with this idea! Ain't da forum great?!
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Posted 28 October 2014 - 10:12 AM

Sometimes you just need to have a discussion with the scouts and their parents and remind them what Scouting is. It's like gun-haters joining the NRA. Why would you do that?
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Posted 28 October 2014 - 11:09 AM

Sounds to me if you force them into camping you'll just push them out of the program. How old are these scouts? Maybe you encourage their interests now, reinforce the patrol method in whatever activities they choose and turn them into a specialty Venturing Crew when they get to 14?
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#18 LeCastor

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Posted 28 October 2014 - 11:42 AM

Sounds to me if you force them into camping you'll just push them out of the program. How old are these scouts? Maybe you encourage their interests now, reinforce the patrol method in whatever activities they choose and turn them into a specialty Venturing Crew when they get to 14?



These Scouts are 12-13 years old and I certainly am not forcing them to camp. Far from it! I encourage them to participate and they put camping on their Patrol calendar from time to time...and don't show up. I do encourage them to pursue their own interests, as I've tried to state in this thread. They are having fun and planning non-camping activities. That's great! But it's not outing and "Scouting without outing...". Well, you know...


(We are starting a Venturing Crew in January and the burnt-out older Scouts and their sisters are looking forward to the adventure.)
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Posted 28 October 2014 - 03:43 PM

There is a saying on the Appalachian Trail: Hike your own hike. We used to say (and some of us still do) in the Boy Scouts: Advance at your own pace Maybe we need to revise for the Boy Scouts: Make your Boy Scout Experience your own Boy Scout Experience. Ok, maybe they don't do as much outing - maybe they don't want to be Eagle Scouts - maybe their interests lie in a completely different direction than conquering the great outdoors. But that doesn't mean the Boy Scouts can't offer them something (and vice-versa). Have any of them earned one of the following merit badges that seem perfect for this group of young men yet? Digital Technology? Robotics? Game Design? How about Engineering? Remember, one of the reasons for merit badges is so that the boys can explore different vocations and avocations while they're young - how many, let's call them Technoboys, are out there not in scouting just wasting time in front of a computer or game console just being entertained - how many of then might benefit from the more technological merit badges that might spark an interest in them to take their fun times further into a career? Have you thought about trying to recruit an ASM that may have similar interests that can think beyond the narrow box we sometimes put certain things into? For instance, have any of them earned Orienteering yet? Do you have someone who can convince them that Orienteering can help them with gaming by putting them through an invisible maze that reveals itself through compass points and pacing? I know there is a big faction of folks who love to talk about the Outing in Scouting but has anyone actually looked at the requirements lately? The number of camping nights out needed for Eagle happens to be the same number of camping nights needed for Camping Merit Badge - Any troop that has not handed their new Scouts a blue card for camping merit badge the day the join is missing a golden opportunity to get those camping nights started - sure, it may take this group of folks longer to get them done, but if any of them do want to be Eagle, they only need to camp about 3 nights per year from 11 to 17 - and blue cards don't expire. I love the search and rescue outing idea - this Patrol could be engaged as base camp support coordinating the search and rescue while the other Patrol(s) are out doing the searching. I suspect that we're looking at the near term future of the Boy Scouts of America - and it's not really unexpected.
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#20 King Ding Dong

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Posted 28 October 2014 - 04:57 PM

I will get yelled at for this. Sounds like a STEM troop. No reason you cannot have them form a First Lego League under the Troop umbrella. The structure is really no different than the patrol method. We have a Mindstorms set and it is a blast. My son has not joined a team because the main season is August-October and scouting is just to busy at that time. If you make it to the World Championship in St. Louis you can camp at one of our facilities.
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