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#21 Torchwood

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Posted 23 October 2014 - 02:21 PM

How can anyone say "Science with a Sparkle" doesn't bring out the "true grit and pioneer spirit" in women today?

I could spend all day long poking fun at this and yet, the first doll on the market with a NASA space suit on was not G.I. Joe, it was Barbie. Someone ought to re-read their history books once in a while.

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Followed by a talking Barbie that said, amongst other babble that "Math class is rough"...

It is just wrong. My almost 10 year old Junior is bored to tears with crafts and cookies in her Troop. She really wants to go do all the fun outdoor stuff that her brother was doing at that age. In the area where we live, the GS Troops all seem to be run by Stepford Wives- they do very little in the way of outdoor activities, but won't let us guys lend a hand.
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#22 SeattlePioneer

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Posted 23 October 2014 - 02:33 PM

<> Most sexist would be "How to chat up boys who like science..."
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#23 Stosh

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Posted 23 October 2014 - 03:25 PM

My eldest daughter bailed as having enough after reaching silver. She's the one that has told me I am the one that will teach my granddaughter outdoor camping, hunting and fishing skills. Stosh
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#24 st0ut717

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Posted 23 October 2014 - 08:51 PM

How about the mrs dr degree
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#25 makotara

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Posted 25 October 2014 - 07:13 PM

I started my journey as a parent in scouting with my son in cub scouts. We were fortunate to be a part of a den lead by an experienced and excited leader. I put my daughter in Girl Scouts and she came home with crafts and songs...okay for a 6-year old, but it gets old quickly. I reluctantly agreed to lead a group of Juniors (4th-5th grade) and the girls were excited when I eschewed the Girl Scouts curriculum in favor of earning Whittling Chip, building fires and CAMPING IN TENTS IN THE WOODS. I had girls rejoin Girl Scouts to be in our troop, after quitting years earlier. I had girls transfer from other troops. Please, don't discredit the girls...they want this. They want outdoor skills and leadership. They want to have the exciting adventures the boys are having. My girls are almost ashamed to be called Girl Scouts; they are quick to inform people they are Girl Scouts, but not "Girly Scouts." Unfortunately, my experience with our service unit and council is that they are only helpful when it comes to telling us how to do one of their fundraisers...which they'll gladly give us 15% of. Otherwise, I find the printed materials, staff, meetings and websites to be of no value. I feel that GSUSA has gotten too involved in raising money and has forgotten it's true purpose.
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#26 Stosh

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Posted 25 October 2014 - 11:30 PM

I started my journey as a parent in scouting with my son in cub scouts. We were fortunate to be a part of a den lead by an experienced and excited leader. I put my daughter in Girl Scouts and she came home with crafts and songs...okay for a 6-year old, but it gets old quickly. I reluctantly agreed to lead a group of Juniors (4th-5th grade) and the girls were excited when I eschewed the Girl Scouts curriculum in favor of earning Whittling Chip, building fires and CAMPING IN TENTS IN THE WOODS. I had girls rejoin Girl Scouts to be in our troop, after quitting years earlier. I had girls transfer from other troops. Please, don't discredit the girls...they want this. They want outdoor skills and leadership. They want to have the exciting adventures the boys are having. My girls are almost ashamed to be called Girl Scouts; they are quick to inform people they are Girl Scouts, but not "Girly Scouts."

Unfortunately, my experience with our service unit and council is that they are only helpful when it comes to telling us how to do one of their fundraisers...which they'll gladly give us 15% of. Otherwise, I find the printed materials, staff, meetings and websites to be of no value. I feel that GSUSA has gotten too involved in raising money and has forgotten it's true purpose.


Welcome to the forum!

I wonder how prevalent what you describe is in GSUSA. One would think that if BSA were to drop out the Whittling Chip, building fires, and Camping in tents in the woods, that they might suffer the same consequences.

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Posted 26 October 2014 - 05:26 AM

Yes, Welcome to the Forums, makotara! Torchwood, my daughter was also bored to tears and desperately wanted to do the same things my son was doing (and she could 'out-scout' most of the boys as well). So we did stuff outside of any program and what she missed was the camaraderie and the advancement. But she and I grew even closer as a result...she's the only person I consider if I'm going to invite a companion for backpacking. Heck, in some skills she can 'out-scout' me for that matter.
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Posted 26 October 2014 - 11:12 AM

A former supervisor of mine who was once a Girl Scout happens to be the daughter of a former Scoutmaster of the Troop for which I am now Scoutmaster. The Girl Scout in question was looking a photos of her brothers and her father from the trip they took to the 1973 National Jamboree in Idaho. She said, "Man, I was SO jealous of those guys!" Her Troop never did anything remotely that cool. My mom was a Girl Scout briefly in the 1950s and she dropped it faster than a hot potato because it was "all about sewing, cooking, and crafts". She remembers being so jealous of the Cub Scouts and Boy Scouts she knew from school. They were always going off on adventures and doing great things in the woods. Luckily, my mom got to go camping with her father, my grandpa, who camped in the style of Horace Kephart and "Nessmuk". She got the outdoors she craved through a local saddle club but it really would have been great for the Girl Scouts to have provided some of that adventure for her, too. I'm looking forward to the new Venturing Crew we're starting in January because the sisters of my Boy Scouts are finally going to be able to participate in Sea Base, Philmont, and Boundary Waters. The young women of my community aren't well-served in terms of outdoor adventure. I hope to change that so they don't feel the same in their 50s and 60s like my mom or my supervisor...
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#29 King Ding Dong

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Posted 26 October 2014 - 02:54 PM

They should start charging $20 for a box of cookies and see how that works out for them. :)
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#30 Pack18Alex

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Posted 18 November 2014 - 12:42 PM

Wife is a Girl Scout leader. The training is part of the problem, plus the ad hoc nature of the troops. A normal GS Troop is a two Kindergarteners, their mom, and 6 friends. As they drop out, they replace them or the program folds. They take their fundraisers and spend it on a single activity, never acquire gear or permanence. The Charter-Org system that gives BSA Unit's a sense of longevity is a HUGE part of the long term success. Not letting dads really volunteer in GSUSA doesn't help. When I go to Round Table, it's probably 60-40 men-women, and around 40-60 men-women with the under 50 volunteers. When my wife goes to Service Unit meetings, there isn't a male attendee. I don't think that the programs will, or should, merge. I think BSA should offer co-ed scouting and GSUSA should offer co-ed Guiding, since they aren't looking at the same stuff.
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#31 SR540Beaver

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Posted 19 November 2014 - 01:26 PM

Well that's just sexist! ;)
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#32 SeattlePioneer

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Posted 19 November 2014 - 01:57 PM

<< The Girl Scout in question was looking a photos of her brothers and her father from the trip they took to the 1973 National Jamboree in Idaho. >> I'm guessing that BSA is now locked into their East coast location for the jamboree by it's immense costs, and we wont see the Jamboree rtravelling anywhere else, probably forever.
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#33 SeattlePioneer

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Posted 19 November 2014 - 01:58 PM

<> I'd bet that if BSA offere co-ed Scouting it would kill off GSUSA just as admitting Black players to the Major Leagues killed off the Negro baseball league.
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Posted 19 November 2014 - 02:14 PM

... I'd bet that if BSA offere co-ed Scouting it would kill off GSUSA just as admitting Black players to the Major Leagues killed off the Negro baseball league.


Don't know. Been to a GSUSA camporee, and it was a blast. (Of course, half of the organizers/staff were venturers ... I literally could have had a crew meeting during break time. ;) ) There's a lot to be said for keeping the opposite sex out of the equation.

Certainly Girl Guides in the UK are motoring along just fine.
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#35 TAHAWK

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Posted 01 December 2014 - 01:12 PM

Girl Scout Cookies now available online - without Girl Scouts.


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Posted 01 December 2014 - 02:43 PM

I dont know how I feel about this. One the girl scouts dont have a CO so all funding for everything must be done via cookie sales. How many of us have girl scout moms hawking cookies in our workplaces. this (online) is actually a astep above that (mommy doing it for me). My daughter did do a girl scout fund raiser via the internet and she does know who ordered what and when. and allowed our out of state relatives a chance to help more easily. I asked her how it felt to have her own web business. she looked at me and said "Dad I dont have my own business like they say its all just show." BUT..... if she stays in GSUSA I am hoping that her love of nature will survive the marketing machine that is cookies.
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Posted 01 December 2014 - 03:10 PM

http://fortune.com/2...cookies-online/
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Posted 13 December 2014 - 07:14 AM

So, daughter comes home from break and I find her, Son #2, and Mrs Q playing a feisty round of cards. Talk turns to who endured the worst childcare, who got sent to the worst church camp, who didn't get sent to any church camp, etc .... Daughter than pipes up, "Well, I couldn't be a member of the BSA for 7 years." I tried to point out that she was the one who let her membership lapse when she went to college, and she said that those weren't the years that mattered. Her childhood was spent watching me take her brothers off camping. GSUSA, you gotta step it up. Get your moms out under canvas (or less) more often in tougher conditions. Or, someone else will.
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Posted 24 February 2015 - 02:24 PM

So, daughter comes home from break and I find her, Son #2, and Mrs Q playing a feisty round of cards. Talk turns to who endured the worst childcare, who got sent to the worst church camp, who didn't get sent to any church camp, etc .... Daughter than pipes up, "Well, I couldn't be a member of the BSA for 7 years." I tried to point out that she was the one who let her membership lapse when she went to college, and she said that those weren't the years that mattered. Her childhood was spent watching me take her brothers off camping. GSUSA, you gotta step it up. Get your moms out under canvas (or less) more often in tougher conditions. Or, someone else will.


Or allow the dads to.......

Can you imagine if BSA were exclusionary to say women, minorities or gays? Just like the argument that gays and pedophiles are two different things, fathers and pedophiles are two different things. Dads "can be" involved, but from a distance.
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