Botched Call Out at Summer Camp
Posted 09 October 2014 - 12:15 PM
Posted 09 October 2014 - 01:16 PM
Posted 09 October 2014 - 01:19 PM
Posted 09 October 2014 - 01:46 PM
Posted 09 October 2014 - 02:11 PM
But I would lay 1st blame on your troop's O/A members. They took responsibility for a task, and failed to execute it perfectly. Now, just 'cause they messed up doesn't mean they're bad scouts. If their election means anything, they are just good scouts who didn't read instructions. (Not being used to a seasoned SM breathing down their necks may have been a contributing factor.) So, the SM should ask them to make it up to your son by offering a special camp-out. Maybe one to suit his geeky game proclivities.
If I were lodge chief (and I never was, so this is me just pretending I'd be that mature of a teen), and I heard that something like this happened, I would call the boy or meet him at his troop meeting. Then I'd let him know that I was very sorry that about the fiasco, let him know that scouting is fun, O/A is worth the effort, and he should put himself up for election next year and every year afterword until elected. And, leave him my phone #, and ask him to call me when he makes Star!
I would definitely let the lodge advisor know what a mess this was. And I would ask him to relay it to the chief. Even if an SM is not in O/A, he needs to be accorded ample respect to aid the lodge in properly delivering candidates. That includes carefully explaining how the call-out will be administered. There are no secrets in scouting, so the SM has a right to understand what's going on.
P.S. - st0, I total get the tired and mildly hypothermic guard student experience. You know what's awesome? It has to be re-upped in two years!
Posted 09 October 2014 - 02:43 PM
Posted 09 October 2014 - 04:15 PM
... This isn't some dinky rural lodge out in the Texas desert, this is big boy. No offense jp.
Bigger the lodge, bigger the gaffs.
I misunderstood, I thought since your SM was a novice, someone handed your troop's arrormen slips with names of who was to be called out.
It doesn't matter what the Advisor knows. What matters is if and how he communicated it to the chief. Good chiefs care about how the lodge is run. They show up at roundtable and ask adults for feedback. They nurture youth. They personally talk to parents eye-to-eye and welcome them in to observe ceremonies and even planning sessions. (You might have missed my emphasis: There are no secrets in scouting.) They care about every new scout be they in lodge or out -- and sometimes every venturer (lodge/chapter chief's sisters show up on their first backpacking trips with the best gear)!
But sometimes, when a gaff happens, some adults are dismissive or don't realize half the problem it is. And, they try to shelter the youth leadership from it. Or maybe the advisor told the lodge officers about the situation and nobody took responsibility to handle it. We just don't know.
What I'm saying, is if you or the SM haven't heard personally from a young arrowman, somebody is not doing their job.
If the scouts in your troop -- especially the arrrowman who handled the paperwork -- are not working to encourage your son., somebody is not doing their job.
Posted 09 October 2014 - 04:36 PM
Posted 09 October 2014 - 06:01 PM
Posted 09 October 2014 - 08:16 PM
Posted 10 October 2014 - 09:11 AM
If the scout was eligible but simply not properly elected, but then called out, I personally would hope they would simply let it ride, then investigate. But embarrassing the scout was not the best action, even though it was not likely the intent.
skeptic is right.
Tapped out the wrong boy? Congratulations! You have an extra lodge member. If he is not up to 'honor camping' standards, he'll drop out.
Sounds like the Lodge Adviser didn't get puffed up enough at breakfast and took it out on an 'unworthy' scout. Unlike skeptic, I think it might have been intentional.
Signman, for the old school Order of the Arrow, I apologize. What happened was awful for your son. I'm surprised that you are still in scouting.
If you care enough to report this up the chain, these decision makers need to be reamed and removed.
Of course you may prefer to just leave it alone and let them continue to rot in their 'We're so special!" misconception.
Posted 10 October 2014 - 09:45 AM
Posted 10 October 2014 - 10:55 AM
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Posted 10 October 2014 - 12:09 PM
Posted 10 October 2014 - 12:39 PM
Q, This is a bit off topic and not really a big concern of mine but if there are really no secrets in Scouting what is with all the passwords on the documents on the National OA site?
Most sites have a secure document area. Keep in mind that a lot of O/A stuff should be youth communications, and development work. So, it stands to reason it would be sheltered from non-members.
What about all the wispering in the ear? Maybe we have different definitions of the work "secret". Not a very good secret I will admit given a modest amount of Google-fu.
Oh, you mean the password that I can never remember? I think it roughly translates to "brotherly love". But like you said, there are resources that you could check to correct me on that one. But the point is for a boy to learn that the "big secret" that he's been working hard to attain is what he should aspire to do on a daily basis.
We've had boys ask in detail about the goings on of O/A. Our ASM who is most involved in the lodge had no problem sharing with them most details. But, reserving a little mystery isn't a problem. Most boys are content to know their buddies can look forward to meager rations, service, and silence for a day.
In our lodge, I am told parents are NOT allowed at any of the ceremonies. I personally witnessed this Lodge Adviser explain to a parent his job it to convince parents should not attend ceremonies.
Your lodge advisor is playing fast-and-loose with policy. There is something special about a boy moving out on his own into the world. So, the order is designed for boys to manage with minimum input from parents. We should assure Mom that she doesn't NEED to be there, but is welcome to observe and not make her presence a distraction. I've had parents come back grateful for being able to see one ceremony or another.
I don't think a Chief inviting parents to ceremonies would be a wise career choice in this Lodge. Just because National says something doesn't always make it so.
All politics is local.
Posted 10 October 2014 - 12:43 PM
Posted 10 October 2014 - 09:45 PM
Posted 18 December 2014 - 02:16 PM
The Lodge Adviser asks my son's name and instructs one of his minions to go to the Council Ring and call out my son's name in front of his peers, make him take the Walk of Shame in front of a hundred or so of his fellow scouts, remove him and send him back to his campsite carrying his bedroll and groundcloth.
Now according to many BSA publications and trainings, a Scout should never be penalized because of the mistakes of an adult. For example: if a 'blue card' for a merit badge is accidentally signed off on in error, it's signed off, you can't take the merit badge back after the fact because you realized he didn't actually complete one of the requirements. Even the application for Eagle Scout has a clause stating that "mistakes by adults" are legitimate grounds for an extension past a Scout's 18th birthday to complete requirements.
So if a Scout was accidentally called out in error, oh well, he was called out, let him in. I wouldn't penalize that Scout because some leader messed up. Maybe use it as an opportunity to tighten up the checks and balances to make sure it doesn't happen again in the future, but it's not worth penalizing that Scout because someone else goofed.
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