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@Scouter99' date=' we're not trying to bash you, buddy. But it must really be no fun in your local Council with all those good ol' boyz and incompetent Scouts. ;) Sorry, I had to.[/quote']

Hey, I wasn't born crabby ;)

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Tomorrow I am having lunch with a guy who staffed Version 1 (all scoutcraft). He thinks we will find a syllabus and administrative guide up in his attic. He is sure there is a box marked "Course papers 1959, 1960, 1961." He staffed all those courses and was a Course Director eight times. He also has boxes of papers from other deceased Staffers that date back to that era. So I am very hopeful. He also staffed an experimental course in 1988 where Bill was the CD. It was an effort to get back to more Scoutcraft and was oversubscribed x 3. Nevertheless, national was not sold, so there were no other such courses. Help me remember by asking me in a week.

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I go to training for the "War Stories",...

And if you did have the perfect youth example, why isn't he/she leading training for other youths?

 

Oh, I'm pretty sure my youth could tell you a few "war stories" about me and the SM!:o

 

One of the more productive sessions of our Venturing Leader Specific Training is when we bring in youth as a panel for these new advisors and committee members to ask questions of.

 

My point is this, if your best backpacker is an adult, fine let him show you all of his gadgets and gizmos, but maybe a scout or two who hike a lot can shake down their packs as well ... and tell you what they liked and didn't like about local trails, where they'd take cross-overs vs. venture patrols, etc ...

 

If you've seen boys who've done a bang-up job teaching orienteering to first-years at summer camp or a district event, why wouldn't you want them teaching soccer moms and dads? There's no YPT violation having a scout shadow an adult while they try to navigate an open-field course with 20 other people.

 

On other things, like when to call your DE or SE, or how to fill out advancement forms ... sure maybe you need adult doing that. But there's no reason an SPL can't be the master of ceremonies and introduce instructors and keep things going.

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