Vote by peers the only way in?
Posted 20 March 2014 - 10:57 AM
Posted 20 March 2014 - 12:49 PM
Shakin my head here.....
Just as I said in the other thread a mom pushing her cub scout to the front of the line.
You using the excuse of schools, my boys come from 4 different middle schools and two different high schools....so your argument isn't valid
If he was the only one on the ballot and still not elected you have to ask why? I have had a solo scout not get 100% of the vote but still have enough to get in....
Remove the mom glasses an look at your son honestly...........He has really made some boys angry to not elect him when he is the only choice. Or could he be a wimp, slacker, no skill, book smart no practical skills, brown nose, bully or Low Drag high speed Eagle sort. Bottom line is I think your view of your son is jaded.
No idea how the election was held, did OA reps come in and hold the election or did the troop leadership. How was it presented???? National Honor Society for scouting???? Maybe his peers don't view him as a high quality of scout.
As Scoutmaster, before I recommend a lad for election I will hold an SMC with him and ask him if he is interested and if he is going to commit more than a Sash and Dash to the OA. The OA is about more than just a lodge Flap.
Your not gonna listen, but you really need to butt out of the troop. you have no business meddling in position of responsibility or troop OA elections.
I pretty much agree. He's had to irritate most of the boys voting (most meaning one more than 1/2). Our troop similarly has a lot of schools--
two middle public, two Catholic K-8, one Catholic high school, three public high schools, and a couple of homeschoolers thrown in.
I think he's not as diligent/perfect when Mom's not watching, and boys know it. The boy needs to figure out how to fix his problem with the other scouts or find another troop if he wants to be in OA.
Posted 20 March 2014 - 01:17 PM
Posted 20 March 2014 - 01:20 PM
Posted 20 March 2014 - 04:39 PM
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Posted 21 March 2014 - 04:28 AM
Posted 21 March 2014 - 12:11 PM
At troop elections boys running get to give a little speech, but not for OA. For OA I give a little speech. I let the troop know that I have talked with the boys up for election and find that they are ready for such a task. I will let the troop know some of the qualities that I see in the boys. And I let them know that to me that makes them great candidates for OA, but that it is up to them. If they see something else than they should vote what they feel.
I think doing this helps boys that aren't always at everything know more about the boys that are at things especially if you have new crossovers.
In our troop, the boys who just crossed over or ones who aren't as involved were encouraged not to submit a ballot if they didn't know the boy and his capabilities well enough to vote. That makes more sense to me than blindly voting on someone based on what another person says rather than what they have observed with their own eyes.
Posted 21 March 2014 - 01:43 PM
Posted 21 March 2014 - 02:03 PM
Posted 27 March 2014 - 03:23 PM
Posted 28 March 2014 - 08:12 AM
I'm sorry, 4 years in a troop entitles you to NOTHING.
One half year being an honorable camper. Making sure everyone's pack is in order, making sure all other tents are up before pitching your own, polishing those grills, being obsessive about litter pick-up, whipping the ends of every frayed rope, coiling every loose rope, being THE GUY scouts can go to when they can't figure out a skill, cleaning windows and mirrors during the fuel stop, being first gathering kindling to start the fire. And doing all of it with a cheerful and friendly disposition ... THAT entitles you to other boy's votes.
That, and sharing an imported chocolate bar that you pull out at the end of a long day hiking.
Posted 31 March 2014 - 04:36 PM
Posted 01 April 2014 - 09:17 AM
Posted 01 April 2014 - 10:35 AM
Posted 01 April 2014 - 11:15 AM
Posted 01 April 2014 - 10:10 PM
Posted 03 April 2014 - 01:07 PM
Well, yes and no. A lot of OA is about brotherhood and leadership. To me, brotherhood implies team effort. If your potential OA candidate led agroup in gathering kindling while telling them which wood made good kindling and which did not, organized a race to see which could clean their half of the van windows quickest, initiates teaching a skill... then he would be the ideal candidate.
When I was elected to undergo the OA ordeal, I was the only one from my school in my troop
Posted 04 April 2014 - 03:47 PM
Posted 04 April 2014 - 04:11 PM
..Scout has been in The Same Troop for 4 Years...Has Achieved First Class Requirement (Life)...Has been Very Active (Missed about 4 Things in 4 Years)...Active in Community Service. Assists Younger Scouts..Etc
...Something we don't Know about..
The two scouts I knew who were just like that and didn't get elected on first (sometimes 2nd, 3rd) round:
One had a penchant for practical jokes.
The other was foul-mouthed.
Parents were clueless. We just told them that we identified with the boys things they could work on, and we'll see if that changes things next year.
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