ban of fixed blade knives?
Posted 10 May 2014 - 06:48 AM
Posted 10 May 2014 - 10:52 AM
For some reason I can't add another comment to one of my replies above, so...
It's preferable to hatchet splitting because at no point do you need to put your fingers in harms way. Done right, you're never swinging anything towards yourself, never putting your fingers in front of the cutting edge of a blade, and you move the blade by hitting it with another object, so all of the motion is done in a far safer manner.
Ouch! We must kindly ask you to turn in your Totin' Chip. At no time do your ever swing a hatchet down while holding a billet of wood upright. No, you use a hatchet as a wedge in this case: insert the bit into whatever crack you find in the end of the wood, press in in hard. Then, with both hands on the handle, lift up the joined wood-hatchet about 4 - 6 inches and hammer back with the billet vertical. Do repeatedly and the wood will split.
Your baton method is more easily done with a froe rather than a knife blade -- keeps the hand away from the baton/mallet
Posted 10 May 2014 - 12:05 PM
Posted 10 May 2014 - 04:14 PM
Some zero tolerance councils specifically except knives used in cooking OR knives not "carried."
Some zero tolerance councils ban all "fixed-blade" knives, use them in Fishing MB and handicrafts areas and sell them in their camp Trading Post. and see no inconsistency.
One zero tolerance council confessed that there was no known rationale for the rule (Think how long it's been since "Rambo- First Blood." ) and that sheath knives were "OK if not huge."
Posted 10 May 2014 - 07:50 PM
Posted 13 May 2014 - 08:40 AM
Posted 13 May 2014 - 09:31 AM
Posted 13 May 2014 - 11:53 AM
I think that you should be prepared with explaining in your proposal in more detail. It doesn't call for additional training but you are calling for additional testing for the scout to prove that they are responsible. Are you going to have an additional test to prove that they are responsible, they test should be clearily outlined.
ok i think what i am going to try to push through is as follows
to allow fixed blades with a blade length of up to 6in
require that a scout must prove that he is responsible with a fixed blade and know how to properly use and carry it
and a scout must bring in the knife to be approved for use in the troop- approval will be carried out by myself and a adult leader
The 2nd piece is with the knife itself. The only thing that is outlined is 6 inches or less. What other criteria are you going to follow to determine if it is acceptable? Since ytou are requiring the knife to be inspected by you that implies that they already purchased the knife. I would think that a parent and a scout would rather know the criteria prior to purchase rather than
As far as the determination being completed by you and a scout leader. People come and go so if the rules are written in such a way that it needs to be approved by "thesnakeman" what happens when you leave? By better defining the the criteria of knofe saftey and an acceptable knife, this would eliminate the knowledge base being held with one person.
I think you should also address how scouters would be handled do they also need to go through the evaluation process? Are they going to have the same standards of the knife selection.
You will also want to make sure that you know which council facility has outlawed them. What you don't want to happen if get this to pass at the unit level only to find out that they can only take them a few places.
I think that without a lot of detail you will be ignored. You are going to need consensus to change the rule. The only way to get this is with education and a well thought out plan. To use your term "push through" is not the best way to get consensus when the people you are presenting to are the ones that made or believe in the existing policy.
Good luck how every you choose to pursue this.
Posted 13 May 2014 - 01:01 PM
Posted 13 May 2014 - 01:37 PM
Posted 13 May 2014 - 01:39 PM
so how would you recommend me going about getting this ban revoked or amended.
I would do a fixed knife safety training class for interested scouts and adults who might use these knives outside troop activities. It would be the exact same training that I use for the pocket knife making the point that there is no difference of safety between the two types. Barry
Posted 13 May 2014 - 01:55 PM
Posted 13 May 2014 - 02:20 PM
Posted 13 May 2014 - 02:26 PM
Serious, this is a major gap in training. If one has to go outside the troop to get such training as Barry suggests, then it's time to get the subject back on the discussion table.
And that is the point of the training, get it back on the discussion table and prove through the training that if anything, pocket or folding blade knives require more training because of their inherent of danger of non-fixed blade. I'm a pragmatic sort of person who tries to get folks thinking away from their emotions. It's just like the bow saw, most adults don't realize that it is the most dangerous woods tool the average scout or scouter uses. So they don't give it the respect it deserves and I think it is fair to say most users nick their hand with it. Barry
Posted 13 May 2014 - 03:04 PM
Posted 02 July 2017 - 01:35 PM
>Since we have recognized our obligation to teach the youth the proper use of all legally owned knives as of 2011, how do meet our obligation if fixed-blade knives - found in almost all homes - are the subject of "zero tolerance" policies?
>The B.S.A. announced in Boy's Life in June, 2008, that:
"The best type of knife for camping trips â€” and most any other outdoor activity, for that matter â€” is a short, fixed-blade knife with a beefy handle.
Folding pocketknives can fold up on your hand while cutting. Not fixed blades. And remember: When it comes to blades, bigger isnâ€™t always better. Avoid blades longer than four inches. A small, sharp blade can cut just as well as a long one, but itâ€™s safer to handle and easier to maneuver in tight spots. With a good fixed blade youâ€™ll be set for most anything the outdoors can throw at you â€” whittling, cutting, notching, butchering, filleting, even spreading peanut butter."
>The basis of all our moral training is trust.
>I understand irrational fear. I am irrationally afraid of heights. I do not expect others to conform to my phobias.
> My Council briefly banned fixed-blade knives at our camps. The responsible "professional" has been fired and the rule (and many, many others he decreed) is gone, replaced by the Oath and Law.
AND BSA is selling sheath knives again. http://www.scoutstuf...ccessories.html
Posted 04 July 2017 - 12:37 PM
The woods are lovely, dark, and deep
but I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep.
Posted 04 July 2017 - 12:55 PM
Posted 04 July 2017 - 03:04 PM
Try this for the
"Gaupe" (Lynx) http://www.scoutstuf...ml#.WVwA1ITyvX4
There were two other models of Helle sheath knives, but they are gone now. The third is mostly cut off at the bottom left of the inserted picture. The folding Helle is also gone.
For some reason, the ability to edit goes away quickly, so I cannot remove the non-functioning link. Sorry.
Edited by TAHAWK, 04 July 2017 - 03:05 PM.
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