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#21 Stosh

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Posted 08 April 2015 - 12:03 PM

I don't think people in general take pride in their work as they once did.  "Git 'er done!" seems to be the standard today.  I don't think the BSA program is any different in their approach. 

 

Mystery

Magic

Adventure

 

all seem to have disappeared into a world of skepticism and cynicism. 

 

Early scouting used to talk about knights in shinning armor, heroics, and adventure.  Now we have Pop Tarts and KoolAid.for breakfast while discussing cyber-bullying amongst the scouts.

 

I guess I am willing to settle for lame, over what we have.  


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#22 Eagle94-A1

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Posted 08 April 2015 - 12:17 PM

I remeber thd old time ceremonies, where the scouts actually knew their lines, had impressive props, and recited their lines with enthusiasm.   My lodge still conducts the ceremonies after dark, but they are pretty lame for the most part.

 

Please dont' tell me they use a podium with the script on it?  The last logde I was in prior to my current one did just that. Very sad state of affairs.

 

I admit when I did ceremonies I used props to help me out with the lines.  I borrowed a beaded sash with a legend once to help me with that part.

 

I also admit we used and earpiece and a radio once. District level AOL ceremony and we had so many names at the last minute, we decided to go the earpiece and radio route for the names.

 

Now for the standard ceremonies, Pre-Ordeal, Ordeal, Brotherhood, etc,  memorization is VITAL ( emphasis) to the success of the ceremony.


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#23 LeCastor

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Posted 08 April 2015 - 01:26 PM

I don't think people in general take pride in their work as they once did.  "Git 'er done!" seems to be the standard today.  I don't think the BSA program is any different in their approach. 

 

Mystery

Magic

Adventure

 

all seem to have disappeared into a world of skepticism and cynicism. 

 

Early scouting used to talk about knights in shinning armor, heroics, and adventure.  Now we have Pop Tarts and KoolAid.for breakfast while discussing cyber-bullying amongst the scouts.

 

I guess I am willing to settle for lame, over what we have.  

 

Yes, this is true in many aspects of life.  

 

As for Pop Tarts and Kool-Aid for breakfast, I almost spit my coffee out all over the screen!   :D   Some of my Scouts have been known to say something along the lines of, "it's a Troop tradition that we have cereal for breakfast on Sunday so we can get leave ASAP."  So what's the dog-gone hurry?  

 

Planning, pride, forward-thinking?  Those are rare things today.  Not a lot of magic and mystery to an Ordeal ceremony performed 100 yards form a country highway with cars whizzing past at 4:00pm on an Saturday...The kitchen staff wants to clean up before dark so they can get back home and play World of Warcraft!


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#24 TAHAWK

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Posted 08 April 2015 - 09:14 PM

We all had to have our lines perfectly memorized, or those waiting to challenge us for our positions on the ceremonial team would quick send us off.

 

"even to the giving of their blood."

 

Awareness of blood-born pathogens took care of that.


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#25 Sentinel947

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Posted 09 April 2015 - 08:37 AM

I remeber thd old time ceremonies, where the scouts actually knew their lines, had impressive props, and recited their lines with enthusiasm.   My lodge still conducts the ceremonies after dark, but they are pretty lame for the most part.

How much of that is that time blurs memories, and everything in the past seems rosy and awesome in comparison to the present? 


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#26 jr56

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Posted 09 April 2015 - 01:18 PM

I have to admit to some possible bias due to the blurring of memories with the passing of time.  But, no, I have witnessed the reading of scripts from the table holding the candles.   Can't shoot the arrow between the feet anymore (never saw anybody get shot in the foot).

The boys have to spend the night all together (youth protection).  All of the special effects are gone (too risky).   In general, a whole bunch of bland.  


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#27 Eagle69

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Posted 10 April 2015 - 08:48 AM

Back in the dark ages, 1967, when all OA Stuff was done as part of Summer Camp, the "Tap-Out" and there was physical contact, was done at the Wednesday night Campfire, which was Parents Night.   The selected scouts/scouters when back to their campsites and got their blanket and reported to the gathering point where the Pre-Ordeal Ceremony was conducted, then they were placed in their spot to spend the night.   The next day was the Ordeal until late afternoon when they were released and allowed to go back to their campsite and be campers again.   The Ordeal Ceremonly was later that evening after dark, either before or after the Brotherhood Ceremony, which in our council actually involved really becoming blood brothers.  Afterwards all got together in the dinning hall for a cracker barrell.     Political Correctness, safety concerns, etc. have changed the OA from the mysterious and unique group it was.     I guess I was lucky in that my council had a great ceremonial team all the years with very nice costumes.


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Posted 10 April 2015 - 02:09 PM

We all had to have our lines perfectly memorized, or those waiting to challenge us for our positions on the ceremonial team would quick send us off.

 

"even to the giving of their blood."

 

Awareness of blood-born pathogens took care of that.

Thanks Tahawk,  You made me smile,

 

  After my Ordeal I joined the team, I wanted to be the " Mighty Chief "  when  I asked if I could have the part the older guys just smiled a little and said  " Sure thing kid, all ya gotta do is do it better than Roger does." 

 

 Roger was about 6'-3" , 220 lbs. and had a booming voice.   The kind that rattled windows. He just loved being Allowat. He had also practiced for years. He was good, he was very very good.

 

I accepted a smaller part in the Friday night ceremony,  without another word.

 

I also watched Roger every Tuesday night.  How he moved, what words he gave more "punch", where he paused.....

 

Everyone knew what I was doing and no one minded at all.  Even Roger!   The mindset was " We are here to do the best ceremony possible for the scouts, if you can do it better, the job is yours."

 

I got better, did most of the other parts but, I was never good enough to beat Roger out for the job, but when he turned 21, I got the role

 

After the ceremony some of the new members come up to tell me how "awesome" I looked.  I thanked 'em but couldn't help but think " Kid, you have no idea what awesome is. I do and it's not me"


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#29 TAHAWK

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Posted 10 April 2015 - 02:10 PM

Generally, I do not think we do ceremonies as well as we once did.

 

Wood Badge does not even have a closing ceremony.

 

Losing the mystery of firelight is sad.

 

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Edited by TAHAWK, 10 April 2015 - 02:18 PM.

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#30 JasonG172

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Posted 10 April 2015 - 03:24 PM

 

After the ceremony some of the new members come up to tell me how "awesome" I looked.  I thanked 'em but couldn't help but think " Kid, you have no idea what awesome is. I do and it's not me"

 

Thats an awesome sorry, Thanks for sharing it! 


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