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#1 perrtyt456

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Posted 05 February 2010 - 09:44 AM

There is a ongoing question when to were the OA sash. Can a Scout were it on Scout Sunday coming up this weekend on Feb. 7th.
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#2 nolesrule

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Posted 05 February 2010 - 10:08 AM

The general rule of thumb for wearing an OA sash is to wear it when participating in something primarily as a member of the OA, such as an OA event, activity, or when performing service. For a troop-level formal function such as Scout Sunday (or a Court of Honor), the merit badge sash would be appropriate.(This message has been edited by nolesrule)
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#3 Buffalo Skipper

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Posted 05 February 2010 - 12:17 PM

I agree with nolesrule. The OA sash is apporpriate for OA events or where the scout's attendance is specifically as a representative/member of the OA. Scout Sunday would certainly be an event in which a MB sash would be an excellent choice. Oh, and Welcome to the virtual campfire! Good to have you with us.(This message has been edited by Buffalo Skipper)
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#4 83_Eagle_T148

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Posted 05 February 2010 - 08:43 PM

Actually, I just recently reread my OA Handbook (admittedly new the latest edition) and found it interesting that wear of the sash, based on the OA handbook, can include Courts of Honor. I'm not at home or I'd provide the publication date and page number. Wear of the OA sash with the merit badge sash is never ok, and neither sash is ever to be work on the belt. Frankly, I would think the merit badge sash more appropriate for courts of honor. However on the special occasion of an Eagle Court of Honor I could see the young man wearing whatever sash he chooses. I could see Scout Sunday as an occasion that wearing the mark of unselfish service might fit in. I've never seen any policy, or mention, regarding wear of the OA sash on on Scout Sunday.
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#5 John-in-KC

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Posted 06 February 2010 - 10:51 AM

To quote Colonel Sherman T Potter: Horsehockey. This is really pretty simple: To my young Brothers, if the ethic of Cheerful Service is forefront in your mind, wear your Arrow. If the ethic of learning is forefront, wear your MB sash. If you're an old fart like me, I'm wearing my National Lutheran Association on Scouting polo, and letting the youth members get recognized.
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#6 Eagle92

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Posted 06 February 2010 - 01:08 PM

Yep national changed the policy on the OA sash sometime in the late 70s or early 80s. Not only can you wear for Scout Sunday, COHs, Blue and Golds, etc. it can also be worn with the professional dress uniform of blue blazer, white shirt, grey slacks and dress tie. And you still have some folks who go by the old ways. As for me I'm wearing mine tomorrow with my TCDL uniform, and I'm thinking I will be seeing a few Venturers and advisers with them on as well. Esp. since their is no Venturing MB sash that an 15 yo Venturer can wear with his uniform.
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#7 nolesrule

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Posted 06 February 2010 - 01:56 PM

While the 1992 OA handbook (most recent copy I have on hand) does state that Courts of Honor are OK, the most recent online handbook quote I could find was posted online in 2005(not sure what the year of the handbook though). The quote reads as follows... The sash is worn "at OA functions and special Scouting activities, when members need to be identified as Arrowmen rendering special services." I'll need to pick up the most recent edition of the handbook at the next lodge weekend to find out what the handbook currently states, but I was under the impression that the quote above was the current OA policy.
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#8 Eagle92

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Posted 06 February 2010 - 04:12 PM

Norules, left out the part about the professional dress.
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#9 nolesrule

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Posted 06 February 2010 - 04:38 PM

Wasn't really addressing that part of it, but yes, I do remember reading that it could be worn with professional dress.
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#10 Eagle92

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Posted 06 February 2010 - 07:59 PM

See that's the point, when the heck is someone in a coat and tie doing OA related work? Yep the current edition does have some wording edited out, but they left wording in reference to a uniform that is only worn on formal occasion still in the passage. that's part of the problem. You go from only at OA fuctions, to ANY scouting function, to function representing the OA,including when the dressuni is on.
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#11 nolesrule

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Posted 06 February 2010 - 08:34 PM

Only person I've ever seen actually wear the formal attire is our DE once or twice, so I really don't have a frame of reference to comment.
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#12 John-in-KC

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Posted 06 February 2010 - 08:56 PM

We have several volunteers in our council who have it. I am not one of them.
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#13 Eagle92

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Posted 07 February 2010 - 07:40 AM

Yep very few folks wear them, mostly the pros. However I've seen 2 volunteers wear them, council pres and VP of Finance. And I have a photo of the National Venturing president in one when delivering the report to the President.
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#14 83_Eagle_T148

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Posted 07 February 2010 - 11:50 PM

John in KC, I would have liked your post just for the Sherman T. Potter quote, but I think you have the right of it. This should be about what the boy feels, if wearing his OA sash on Scout Sunday makes the day, or his service, even a little more special, let him. We spend far to much time splitting hairs on policy issues, this time would be better spent on program. Although I understand the reason of policy, and it this case I think wearing the OA sash on scout Sunday is within policy, sometimes you have to say "Horsehockey". I can remember when our OA section adviser was grooming his replacement, having reached the point of no longer being able to physically travel. The new guy was just a few years out of the USMC, a real fire eater. He spent inordinate amounts to time busting our behinds, us being to section officers, over silly little uniform issues. Having reached the breaking point, all of us officers showed up for the Conclave business meetings with every insignia perfectly placed, and spaced, on our pressed and starched Hawaiian shirts ... it was the first time I saw the guy crack a smile. Ends up the young fire eater had a great sense of humor, and was a great guy.
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#15 Mr. Boyce

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Posted 10 February 2010 - 10:23 AM

I'd only wear it for OA events. I mean, that's what it's for.
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Posted 10 February 2010 - 11:19 AM

2008 OA Handbook The sash is worn at Order of the Arrow functions and special Scouting activities, when members need to be identified as Arrowmen rendering special services. None of our Scouts asked about wearing the OA sash to Scout Sunday. If they had, I would have advised against it, except for our OA Rep. Several Scouts did wear their MB sashes.
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#17 fgoodwin

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Posted 10 February 2010 - 11:50 AM

I swear, you give folks a little wiggle room and they'll drive a Mac truck through it. NO, you DON'T wear an OA sash at Scout Sunday. Just because you're *IN* OA isn't sufficient justification for wearing the OA sash at non-OA events. Is Scout Sunday a "special occassion"? Yes of course it is. Does it mean an OA member is necessarily *REPRESENTING* OA in the performance of *SPECIAL* SERVICE? NO! Good grief, how much clearer can it be?
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Posted 25 February 2010 - 11:07 AM

Arrowmen from my Troop will be handling the bridging ceremony and AOL ceremony at a Pack meeting - is that OA service? There will not be a dance team, but there will be cheerful service. Based on some of the posts here - it is allowed IF this is considered OA service. However - I thought I would ask for input from the campfire attendees.
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Posted 25 February 2010 - 12:22 PM

Horizon- you kind of answered your own question. If they are there just as members of the troop, then no. If they are there as representatives of the Lodge (as Arrowmen), then yes. That's kind of the guideline. For instance, if I attend a Scout Show (or council banquet or event), do I wear my sash? Am I there specifically as an Arrowmen, doing service in that capacity? Then yes. If I am there as yet another scouter who just happens to also be an Arrowmen, then no.
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#20 Eagle92

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Posted 25 February 2010 - 12:52 PM

Not as simple as that Emb. One of the problems we had as a chapter was lack of visibility. Yep we did ALOT of service, but it was the type of service that made OA sashes inadvisable, except the crossovers, camppromos/electios, and call outs. The rest of the year, we were there working our butts off, but without the sash no one knew. One of the things we did as a chapter was the CC proclaimed all district functions: banquet, camporees, etc as OA functions. It was so bad that I had a monther go on a 1.5 hour tirade against the OA, learning considering whether to allow her son to go or not. HEck she didn't knwo that not only was her son's SM an Arrowman, but a past LC and Section officer! about the OA. This one thing has increased the OA's visibility in the district and has made a dramatic improvement. This past weekend, we had 2 youth at the district banquet with OA sashes on, those in Venturing uniforms as there is no MB sash, and a bunch of adults. It really made aan impression with the OA display, local award presentations, and the DAM presentation.
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