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#41 Bob White

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Posted 21 April 2008 - 04:44 PM

Because the Eagle rank has nothing to do with politics either! Scouting is about citizenship and you can ask him why he feels voting is or isn't important, but you are out of line when you ask him to tell you who he will be voting for. Just because a board member is rude and nosey does not mean they can ask whatever they want to of the scout. Having you vote for is none of your employer's business, and who the scout plans to vote for is none of the board's business either.
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#42 dScouter15

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Posted 21 April 2008 - 06:00 PM

Ed - What reason do you have to ask the scout who he will vote for? You say that the question is "directly related to [...] citizenship," but what aspect of the scout's citizenship are you looking to evaluate? How can this question be used to evaluate a scout's citizenship better than other questions, involving the HOW or WHY aspects of voting?
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#43 vol_scouter

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Posted 21 April 2008 - 07:19 PM

I agree with everyone else. It is not appropriate to ask who the youth would/will vote for in the fall. It is OK to ask who are the candidates, what are some of their platforms (have to allow a lot of latitude because it is not clear at this time by listening to the news), how will you decide on who to vote for, and what do you think are the most important issues. Those questions allow a BoR member to assess if the youth is thinking of people and issues that relate to citizenship in the nation. I would hope that an older youth at an Eagle BoR would tell you in a firm voice "It is none of your business" because it is not! Before this election is over there could very well be a large amount of animosity between the 2 sides. It is not appropriate to ask anyone who is under you who they will vote for.
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#44 evmori

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Posted 21 April 2008 - 09:28 PM

Looks like we will have to agree to disagree! Asking direct questions is not rude or nosy or coercive. We don't need to make everything soft & fuzzy because in the real world it isn't. We are not asking the Scout what party affiliation he would chose. That's asking about his politics. We can vote for whomever we chose in the general election regardless of our party affiliation! Asking a Scout who he would vote for is asking him who he thinks should be elected. And the conversation should continue bu asking the Scout to explain why. Nothing out of line. Yes Scouting is about citizenship. The right to vote is part of our citizenship we as Americans are entrusted with and not enough of use exercise this right. Ed Mori 1 Peter 4:10
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#45 packsaddle

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Posted 21 April 2008 - 09:31 PM

Folks, I think we've all made our points. Normally, if I was having this discussion in person with Ed, I'd try to figure out the detailed logic that he's using to support his view. But in this forum I think it is unlikely that any of us can communicate in that level of detail even if we want to. It should be clear by now what Ed's view is and that those of us who disagree..well, disagree. But I'm getting the impression that Ed is feeling like Katie at the bridge, and set to resist no matter what. Trevorum made a compelling example. The idea has been put out there for consideration. I think we're beating a dead herring at this time. :) I think I'll spend the rest of the evening listening to the coyotes eating my neighbors' outside pets.(This message has been edited by packsaddle)
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#46 evmori

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Posted 22 April 2008 - 06:01 AM

Well, it's primary day here! Time to exercise my right to vote! I'm a registered democrat & I'm not voting for Mrs. Clinton. And if you ask, I'll tell you the same thing! Ed Mori 1 Peter 4:10
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Posted 31 August 2009 - 12:15 PM

Bringing this thing back to life...I can't find another old thread that fits better. Another incident recently: The EBOR was lackluster, the boy was adequate to pass and he did. However, in the process the chair of the EBOR learned that the boy was a Unitarian Universalist and then proceeded to bore in with an aggressive interrogation about 'belief in God'. Your reactions?
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#48 Buffalo Skipper

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Posted 31 August 2009 - 12:53 PM

Please share a little more information. My gut reaction is that the EBOR chair has an ax to grind (not necessarily with this scout specifically) and that this is not the place to make this argument. But I could certainly be off base. Can you add any more information?
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#49 NeilLup

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Posted 31 August 2009 - 01:49 PM

Were the questions on the order of: "Tell me about your religion?" or were they "Convince me that Unitarian/Universalists are not atheists!"
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Posted 31 August 2009 - 02:04 PM

About the original question - If I were to ask this question at a job interview, and I did not hire the applicant for whatever reason, I would expect to be sued! At the very least, this question represents an utter lack of care and foresight.(This message has been edited by sherminator505)
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Posted 31 August 2009 - 02:12 PM

About the more recent post - Did the District/Council put on this EBOR? If so, is there something going on in the background that we're not aware of? If not, then you have received a sign that the District/Council should be putting on the EBOR's in your neck of the woods.
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#52 scoutingagain

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Posted 31 August 2009 - 04:27 PM

"Your reactions? " Well certainly questions about how a scout is Reverent are appropriate. But any answer short of a direct statement from the scout that he is not Reverent, doesn't believe in a higher power of any kind, (not necessarily the Judeo/Christian God) and doesn't fulfill this aspect of the scout law should suffice. Seems to me if a member of the Board really started to grill a scout on this aspect, his scoutmaster or adult mentor who is allowed to sit in on the Review, might step in and say something simple like, "Asked and answered." SA
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#53 evmori

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Posted 01 September 2009 - 05:58 AM

About the original question - If I were to ask this question at a job interview, and I did not hire the applicant for whatever reason, I would expect to be sued! At the very least, this question represents an utter lack of care and foresight. Well an EBOR isn't a job interview and I think this question is very appropriate. This gives the Scout an opportunity to express his opinions about the candidates & it give the EBOR some insight into the Scout!
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#54 Hal_Crawford

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Posted 01 September 2009 - 07:45 AM

Ed: I disagree. There is too much chance that one or more board members might judge the scout based on his political views. Many years ago my dad answered one of those election eve phone calls. "How are you voting in tomorrow's election?" "By secret ballot as prescribed by the constitution". There is a reason we step into a voting booth; it is so no one will judge us by our political choices. The question was out of line as was the question from the more recent post. There are lots of other more appropriate questions that could be asked to give "insight into the scout". Hal
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Posted 01 September 2009 - 09:59 AM

Well, Hal, if a BOR member makes his/her decision based on who the Scout says he is voting for then that person has missed the whole point of the question.
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Posted 01 September 2009 - 12:00 PM

Sorry, for some reason I didn't get the notification of replies to this thread. A little more detail: I don't know if something is going on behind the scenes or not but I doubt it. My feeling so far is that it was the reviewer's decision to pursue that line of questioning. I'm going to follow up with him when I get a chance. The boy stated that he believed in a higher power but just wasn't sure about what that was. This uncertainty was what precipitated the questions. All in all there's no long-term harm done. He passed. I think the UUs are aware of the bullseye on their backs. At least they are now..you better believe that the word is OUT in the community. But the boy passed. I'm more interested in how widespread this mode of review is - and how many think it's OK? Or if not, where others draw the line?
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#57 sherminator505

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Posted 01 September 2009 - 12:27 PM

"Well, Hal, if a BOR member makes his/her decision based on who the Scout says he is voting for then that person has missed the whole point of the question." I would submit that if the EBOR member makes his/her decision based on who the Scout says he is voting for then that person has missed the whole point of an EBOR. I also fail to see the logic that an EBOR member could somehow miss the point of a question that he himself asked.
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Posted 13 April 2017 - 02:12 PM

I participated in my first Eagle Board of Review and it went about like I expected with one exception. The last question posed to our first Eagle candidate, because he was close to turning 18 y/o, was who would he vote for in the November general election and why? I was a little shocked that someone would ask a political question. The young man answered the question easily and supported his choice, but I was still a bit taken aback. Is this typical?

I can't say NO enough. No. No. No. We've been known to ask 'What is your favorite candy bar?' just to lighten the mood... but ... No. NO. Politics is just wrong... on so many levels. I can't believe nobody answered you. Not a very active forum I guess!


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Posted 14 April 2017 - 01:56 PM

I can't say NO enough. No. No. No. We've been known to ask 'What is your favorite candy bar?' just to lighten the mood... but ... No. NO. Politics is just wrong... on so many levels. I can't believe nobody answered you. Not a very active forum I guess!

 

What do you mean, nobody answered him?  Lots of people answered him.  Yours is the 58th post in this thread.  You have also managed to resurrect a thread that had been "resting" for eight years.  Or maybe it was pining for the fjords...


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#60 Col. Flagg

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Posted 14 April 2017 - 02:02 PM

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